Apart from a Trump win, nothing will convince Trump fans that the election was not stolen

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Now, that the Georgia recount seems to be over, confirming the Biden win. We already see how the goalpost will be shifted by Trump fans:

    -The recount didn't allow Trump observers.
    -The envelopes of the ballots were not looked at or tossed, so no way to verify the legitimacy.
    -Lower courts are leftist activist courts that help Biden, tossing out Trump's law suits.

    And the list goes on. The reality: Trump fans already made up their minds. The election was rigged and stolen by Biden. There is NO amount of evidence that would convince them that the outcome is legitimate, unless Trump would be declared the winner, maybe by electors in the EC, which seems to be the latest Trump lobbying strategy. Then, they would call Dems sore losers for not accepting Trump's power grab.

    You really can't make it up in what kind of cognitive dissonance half of the country seems to live.
     
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    Trump has trained his followers well. Even in the face of zero evidence of widespread voter fraud they will go to their graves whining about the “stolen election”. It’s utterly amazing the lack of common sense and logic.
     
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    Forget widespread, there is no evidence of even significant cases of fraud.
     
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    But but Trump said there is. That’s all the evidence needed, right?
     
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    For oann.
     
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    It is because they have convinced themselves for the last four years that they are the righteous "silent majority". So, if that figment of the silent majority doesn't pan out, the only way to reconcile this deep emotional belief is to justify to themselves that they ARE the silent majority, but that a sinister minority stole the election from them.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you feel the need to speak for ALL Trump supporters. What makes YOU the authority on what they are thinking? There have been too many irregularities to just IGNORE them all. Despite what you think, most of us don't actually think it will change anything, we just want the integrity of the election process to not be compromised. Don't forget, Republicans can cheat too! Investigating the irregularities benefits EVERYONE. You know if the tables were turned, cities would be ON FIRE right now. You should stop blowing things out of proportion and let the justice process take place without whining about it at every turn.
     
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    Counting unverified ballots is against state law. Nothing is confirmed.

    Hope you guys saved the envelopes.
    Gonna be hard to verify without them
     
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    Oh, I have no doubt that there are some Trump supporters who do not think the law suits will make a difference. Unfortunately, they are silent and they let the loudmouth Trump supporters take over the Republican party. For those loudmouth ones, nothing Trump does goes too far, not even the open meddling with state legislatures to overturn counts or electoral college votes. If you think Biden won, then you HAVE to speak out against those efforts, if you actually value our democracy.
     
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    Once again observers were not allowed to observe. Why should anyone accept this vote count?
     
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    So you don't really care if the election is fair.
     
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    Quote; Trump has trained his followers well

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    They are lost causes because they’ve endorsed cultism over intellectual sovereignty.

    The only thing they have proven without a doubt is Trump’s mind control techniques are very effective.
     
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    I'd say that you're entirely wrong. If, and there is a process that canvasses and verifies legal votes, and those vote favor Biden? Then the election isn't stolen. And folks on the right will view the results as fairly given. But that isn't the experience we're getting, is it? With something now like 1000 affidavits of illegal or improper process during the counts in these democratic cities, what is your explanation? Why do you suppose it was so necessary to conduct the count absent any oversight? Explain that.
     
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    So far there has only been ONE SINGLE CASE of voter fraud discovered. And it was a guy using his dead mothers absentee ballot to VOTE FOR TRUMP.
     
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    It was fair. That is why virtually all of trump's bs lawsuits have been laughed out of court and nothing has come close to changing the outcome of the election.

    Your tin god is out on his ass and heading to prison. Get used to it.
     
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    Except that all of this "evidence" is only hearsay in the RW echo chamber. We don't overturn elections because some people who don't like the outcome scream "fraud". We actually need hard evidence. not just for minor cases of individual fraud, which occur in any election, but for widespread, concerted voter fraud. So far, we are waiting. But, I am sure, the damning evidence will come any day now, just like Trump's magical health care plan will be revealed any day.
     
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    well at least you said it isn't ALL of them. That's progress in my opinion. Thanks for that.
     
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    I live in a semi-rural area, in a blue state, but most of my neighbors are Trump supporters. They are nice people. That's why it is so shocking that they voted for this charlatan not once, but twice. The whole drama we are going through right now was totally predictable. You vote for a reality TV star, you get a reality TV show. Is that good for the country? Well, I think there is no doubt what Trump is doing right now is not for the good of the country, but he is trying to tear the country apart for his own personal gain. You wouldn't tolerate this kind of behavior for any other president. Why do you tolerate it for Trump?
     
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    I wouldn't say the election was fair. The count is fair. There was little fraud, no where's near enough to affect the outcome and those few cases will have their day in court.
    But not fair. Too much effort has gone into preventing people from voting and then not counting their votes for it to be described as fair.
     
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    Charlatan = Someone not entrenched in the bureaucratic morass of special interests.
     
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    You were stopped from voting?
     
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    That's fine. It's to be expected and I'm sure everybody agrees. But that's not what's going on. I'm pretty certain voting systems are constantly being evaluated and updated. The sheer level of security put in place supports that claim.

    What Trump is doing is trying to overturn the election. It has nothing to do with election security.
     
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    100% accurate
     
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    Trump = Someone entrenched in the interests of only himself.
     
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    Good point. How can a process be called fair when the candidate who received almost 7 million more votes just narrowly wins a contested election? An actual "fair" election would be based on the popular vote. If that were the case, Trump would have no leg to stand on.
     
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