Apart from a Trump win, nothing will convince Trump fans that the election was not stolen

Says the guy whose side has demonstrated in front of a court of law with results of 1-31......

L......O.........L

 

It's always been true that 45% of the nation lack sufficient ability to evaluate facts. There are more disparaging words, but I'll avoid them this time. It's time to stop with the name calling, on both sides. Biden will be president, and it's time to stop the incessant hate-the-other-side. If one side doesn't, that doesn't mean the other side shouldn't, either. Some one has to lead, and it looks like it will have to be the democrats and a few responsible persons on the right ( Romney, etc), or at least Biden will do his best.

The point is, they've always been there, it's just that, in Trump, they found their champion, he brought them into the fore, and galvanized them into a force to be reckoned with. In my view, that was not a good thing. They were there when Buckley was the granddad of conservatism, we saw such people in the John Birch Society, but Buckley had the wisdom to push them to the fringe. Trump, on the other hand, made them mainstream.

I doubt the right will ever allow itself to be led by another Buckley, and that is sad.

 

You think you're gonna stop counting in a coordinated fashion across multiple states, then start dumping hundreds of thousands of votes at 3:30 am, with vote totals juming by over 146k in minutes, and not have to demonstrate all ballots complied with state law ?

 

One of the funny things we haven't talked about, that I am aware of, is that what was said in court was completely different from what's being said in the looney tunes media.

In court, you see, lying can get you in trouble. So when the judge asks if you are alleging fraud, the Trump lawyer said "no fraud".

This is just the standard Right wing tsunami of lies.

For all intents and purposes, the counting and court cases is over. Biden won.

Which is why Trump is trying more direct approaches to cheating..

 

If that was legitimately at issue it would've been brought up in courts and from your description it'd be a slam dunk win for Trump yet they are 1-31.... so I'm guessing your likely leaving lots of context out

 

Have you seen the interrogatories, requests for production or admissions yet?

 

100%

To believe Trumps fraud claims in the face of his litigation record on the issue alone would take one to suspend ones common sense

 

That is Unproven Conspiratorial BS.

There is more "credibility" in the latest Bigfoot Sighting.

People putting their "faith" in Absurdist Conspiracies are going to be in for a Long 4 Years.

 

You would have to have lost your mind.

 

A person with integrity wouldn't pretent that they were unaware that this applied only to a small portion of the complaint which was being consolidated.

 

That can be easily demonstrated during the verification process.

 

You should quit while your behind.

TRUMP LOST! Period.

Unsubstantiated Conspiracies don't cut it in Court.

 

Great.

What are you expecting to happen in the minuscule hours before several key Swing States certify?

 

Serious claims require serious evidence.

Your crowd doesn't do serious.

They also didn't have any evidence. That was so pathetically bad I felt embarrassed for those lawyers. The judges insulted them, threatened them and laughed them out of court.

It's over. Your attack on democracy failed.

 

Exactly. Trump didn't even get the ball rolling with Obama's "otherness." It was the first guy to emphasize Hussein. "Barack HUSSEIN Obama." By the time McCain had been nominated, a woman at a rally said Obama was "an Ay-rab." Using his middle name at the inauguration was worth a few 6 minute segments at Fox News.

As with everything else in his life, Trump was given this. And as with everything else, he exploited the situation and people to his own ends. When Trump entered the scene with the birth certificate hoax, Obama had already been rejected as "other" for a couple years.

It's not Trump's anti-Obama campaign that got him elected. It's Obama himself, who got Donald Trump elected. I'm thankful their champion turned out to be an incompetent fool. A brilliant man could do some actual damage.

George Will is certainly no Bill Buckley, but I've always respected his arguments. I used to respect Gingrich as an intellectual (never as a man), but he seems to have gone off the deep end. Things have changed. If there has been a permanent realignment of the Republican Party along Trumpism, I don't see conservative intellectuals returning to, or defending the Party.

(Serious question. Now that Trump has lost, what becomes of the RNC Platform? Lol.)

 

Trump loses when your ballots are verified in compliance with state laws and the ballots favor Biden.

 

You failed to adress the fact that this was only a small portion of the complaint and was being consolidated. Not surprised

 

Things really started going down with Gingrich, (when he was speaker) in terms of the polarization of politics.
George Will will never be looked upon as the right looked upon Buckley. Will's problem is how he speaks, kind of a mumble, whereas Buckley's was crisp, eloquent, and clear. Will's domain is the column and an occasional book and appearances on MSNBC, interviews here and there, and that's about it. Buckley started the National Review, which was, for the time he was alive, the centerpiece of conservatism in America, though he got his intellectual ass whipped in the famous Baldwin v. Buckley debate, and a couple of times by Gore Vidal ( loved those! ) But, NR has since descended into mediocrity.

 

Agreed. Will is a good writer and a poor speaker. His columns were well respected as the conservative voice of the WaPo Opinion page. Same with David Brooks and the NYT. Today's right wing isn't interested in intellectual counterpoint to a newspaper of record's known slight liberal bias. You know, real conservatism.

I used to watch Firing Line religiously. Something else I miss from PBS is The McLaughlin Group. Both shows are still being produced, I believe, but I haven't watched either since the original hosts left. RIP.

 

Proving fraud is the job of professional investigators, the FBI, CIA, etc. and cases are built over months and years. To date, Trump's lawyers have not gone to court trying to prove fraud. They have registered complaints about the process ,,, for instance, their inability to view the mail-in envelope before they were forever separated from the votes. Everyone, including the courts know that Detroit and Philadelphia are corrupt. They just don't know how corrupt. So yes, in buying time to build a case that the corruption was so severe that it erased an 800,000 vote lead on Tuesday night into a major loss on Wednesday morning, they did lose most complaints. We have yet to see the evidence that even lowly trial lawyers were able to amass. I'm willing to give them a chance. More willing since Dominion failed to show up to testify, deleted their Linked-In profiles and the lawyers representing the county quit.

 

I love it when Trumpers just word for word reguritate the latest talking points, especially when they fal lover every time the yget into court. Why do all the hard work of thinking when you can just parrot.

 

This is getting into court.
Better figure out how to verify compliance with state law without the envelopes.

Funny thing about running stacks of ballots multiple times. The digits in the computer outnumber the paper ones.

Funny thing about pre printed ballots with one dot filled in. They are easily seen on inspection.

The audits should be fun. Get your popcorn

 

I agree, they will be hilarious. Once again nothing more than a few votes will shift, the court cases will fall over and you will move on to the next set of talking points.

 

You can convince me.

Tell me how Trump can go from a 700,000 vote lead to being behind overnight when poll watchers were kept away from the counting?

Statistically impossible.

 

That should be your first clue the story is BS.

According to witnesses, a little boy, 5 votes had turned into 5,000, Democrat disciples, “It’s a miracle,” blah, blah, blah...

Those, collectively, should be your second clue the story is BS.