Apollo and Sunlight : addendum

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    These animated gifs keep getting buried by dishonest posters mainly the serial forum spammer(SFS). On page one and all together.

    Number 1: This shows a sequence where the reflection from the Sun is blocked out completely by a very narrow rod. This 100% refutes the stupid claim that it was some sort of massive light.

    [​IMG]

    Number 2: Demonstrates 100% that as the light levels in the camera are altered by aperture, so does the size of the blooming on the visor.

    [​IMG]

    Number 3: This shows a clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 4: This is a clear indicator of simultaneous soil dropping at the same speed as the jumper. This is 100% proof he is on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 5:
    This animation is the supposed "duplicate" background claim from the SFS. It shows that the distant mountains are actually just viewed from a more rotated vantage point. He actually denied that they are different and from obviously different places.

    [​IMG]

    Number 6:
    Here we have one of my favorites. The cloth from the ceiling, moving TOWARDS the approaching object and not doing so until it is virtually level.

    [​IMG]



    The responses to these have either been zero or moronic.
     
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    That is Betamax's attempt to refute this piece of research. I would say obfuscate instead of refute.

    The Apollo Moon Jump Salute Refute hd
    https://www.brighteon.com/a515dc75-83bb-4e02-aad9-b1cdfe0de150


    Here's the video.

    Apollo 17 - analysis of another jump sequence



    Here's my answer to this in post #9 of the thread he started on this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-they-are-on-the-moon.580330/#post-1072162665
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    Start watching at the 00:14 time mark.

    At .25 speed it's clear that the dust is bouncing back up after having fallen. What you say is the dust landing is really the dust bouncing back up after having landed. When the dust is kicked up, it reaches the ground before the astronaut's feet hit the ground. This is consistent with his being on a wire.
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    This thread seems to be about general evidence so I'll post this.

    (post #45)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068
     
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    Betamax is addressing the issue of the flag moving without having been touched when the astronaut trots by it. That's addressed in the bottom link in my last post.

    I think that could be faked somehow. Here's what he's addressing.
    http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm


    More on backdrops here.

    Go down about half way on this page to where it says, "The Hills Are Alive".
    http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

    Look at the eleventh picture from the top here.
    https://www.aulis.com/nasa6.htm

    https://www.google.com/search?q=apo...UKTsAKHdQAD80Q_AUoAXoECA8QAw&biw=1366&bih=657
     
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    That's all discussed here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-moon-landing-is-fake.553296/page-10
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...anding-is-fake.553296/page-10#post-1072195785
     
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    Nope. Not one single post in response addresses the issue raised. The narrow rod blocks the entire light.

    Even a village idiot can understand that means the angular resolution of the source MUST be less or equal to the width of the rod.

    1. Proving the blooming does not reflect the actual size of the light source.

    2. Proving the light source is not a stupid super light which wouldn't work anyway!
     
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    Nope. They are made by an idiot and have no credence. All debunked simply by the animated gifs you fail to directly address. Cowardly behavior as always.
     
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    And once again this clown fails to address the point raised. The object causes the fabric to move towards it and only when it is right on top of it! Your suggestion of doing this was taken up and it disproved your claim!

    You aren't qualified to make any such conjecture and in your case always dishonest. What you "think" is steeped in bias and profound ignorance.

    It takes a certain stupidity to point to "more" on backdrops by showing the actual issue my animated gif 100% debunks!!
     
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    Once again this troll fails to address the animated gif. The gif shows 100% that the dust rises and falls at the same time

    Checkmated.


    Bouncing dust is the incredibly dumb evasionary response. You have failed at every level to address the video you just quoted. You are not sufficiently educated to realize why the small variance you are obfuscating about makes virtually no difference to the speed change needed. You just make a stupid claim and routinely never go into informed detail.

    No spammer. This thread is about the contents of post 1, not your excuse to repost debunked horseshit!
     
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    The dust obviously hits the surface and goes back up. Maybe bounce is the wrong word. Maybe ricochet is a better word.

    This is simply too clear. You really got sloppy when you decided to try to make people think that the dust that you pointed to with your red arrow was landing for the first time. Maybe YouTube didn't have adjustment for speed back when you made the video. It has it now though and anyone who sets the speed at .25 can see that the dust hits the surface before the astronaut's feet do and then goes back up. It's not that clear at normal speed but it's easy to see at .25 speed (The speed can be adjusted by clicking on the round icon on the lower right of the video).

    You've been caught in a blatant lie here and your credibility is shot. All you can do now is try to bury this to reduce the number of viewers who see it.
     
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    You corrected it last week and chose to respam your original claim. That is entirely how you behave.

    Unfortunately for you, there exists better footage of this event. This one shows four occurrences of his jump and each time you can see the dust striking the surface as his feet hit the ground. You're done spammer, you've nowhere to go except repeat denial. Here it is.

    Astronaut Eugene Cernan runs and jumps on the Moon - Daily Mail - YouTube

    Quite clearly there are two splashes that start when his feet hit the surface. The larger one to the left (just beginning in this screen shot) is the one you claim is the bouncing dust!

    [​IMG]


    I shall "bury it" by repeating it and elaborating!

    Now, Mr Scientific method, explain the exact point where YOU claim the dust is hitting, because you can quite clearly see the wave moving towards the ground in a steady and predictable manner - then you can tell me how long in hundredths of Earth seconds you think it is before he hits the ground. From there it should be obvious to even the most profoundly ignorant that any difference you claim does not compensate for substantial wire support and the time duration it entails! You always ignore that there is zero center of gravity jerkiness.

    You lose. As always.
     
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    I just watched it. It's nothing new. It shows the same thing. The point at which you say the dust is landing is where it starts to go back up after having landed.

    It's so clear. At the 00:07 time mark he's still in the air as the dust is hitting the surface. It slides horizontally and then goes back up into the air. That's the point at which you say it's landing for the first time.
    I don't have a stopwatch so I can't do hundredths of a second.

    You're usually not this sloppy. The only thing I can think of is that YouTube videos didn't have the adjustment for speed when you made that video and you didn't foresee its being added later. The slow-speed feature is here now so it exposes your attempt at sophistry.
     
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    What a despicable person you are. You have no honor or integrity. All you are concerned about is maintaining your insane belief system. The dust lands exactly where I pinpointed it, his feet on the ground.

    Yes it is. Sadly you can only lie and deny.

    Correct, the lower part of the wave. Still on 7 seconds a few frames before, you can see the wave extends from the boot to the surface.

    You are ludicrous. This has to be the pinnacle of stupidity. The nature of dust, regolith and most fluids is entrainment - it flashes flat across a surface. But that isn't what we are seeing. It is 100% obvious from simply tracking the motion of the wave that it strikes exactly as I claim.

    But that is exactly what you are claiming. Mere hundredths of a second, and let me be clear I dispute this completely.

    Hogwash. There is nothing sloppy about this and you continue to avoid the contents of my video and the lack of any center of gravity jerkiness!

    How delightful, the serial forum spammer blunders into a bit of "technical know how" and thinks that my use of movie making software doesn't make this something I was doing 15 years ago! Through this software and the framerate, you can see the tiny time variance you claim!

    No jackass, it exposes your need for dishonesty and your dire requirement not to have your 17 year quest continually obliterated. Your simplistic approach to things always ignores the finer details, you fail to address YOUR time difference because you must realise that it would be miniscule and would most certainly not account for a large speed alteration. My video already shows how 150% and 200% cannot work with the footage, you lack the education to understand it.
     
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    Still waiting for the diversion or denial from Number 3 in the OP.

    Can you see the parabola of dust? Or is that one bouncing on the ground!
     
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    Betamax is trying to obfuscate this anomaly which shows that the astronaut is on a wire.

    The Apollo Moon Jump Salute Refute hd
    https://www.brighteon.com/a515dc75-83bb-4e02-aad9-b1cdfe0de150


    More on wire supports...

    Prepare to be Busted - Mythbusters Debunked addendum
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-52&sk=&cvid=2C6B88527BFA41E1881EEA8EA06833F6


    Apollo wire evidence 1 part 1
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...6E2A37C7A8F00C65F9A36E2A37C7A8F0&&FORM=VRDGAR
     
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    No, you dishonest joke of a person, I am trying to get you to explain the gif!

    Number 3: This shows a clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.
    [​IMG]



    Spam. You seem to be afraid to address the issue here. Nobody is denying that a simple 2 second clip could be replicated with wires. The problem for you though spammer, is that the dust on the surface is clearly visible and is rising at lunar freefall speed. Now, are you going to keep running away from the proof?

    At the 2 minute mark of that video, quite clearly the jerky center of gravity pulls are apparent.




    Spam. Addressed years ago and ignored by you numerous times.



    You are afraid to address this also. Quite clearly YOUR video involves a clear and proven lie. I made a thread about this that you have also been afraid to address. He takes a tiny clip makes a claim and ignores the footage either side that clearly makes a mockery of the claim.

    I suppose being a liar yourself, you are comfortable quoting liars. But what makes it worse is that in addition to refusing to acknowledge obvious deception, you keep using it. You are the complete opposite of a truth seeker.
     
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    Cornered, checkmated. The Black Knight would throw Cosmored/Scott/Rocky/Drifty/Fatfredddy out of the debate hall for cowering in the corner.
     
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    These animated gifs keep getting buried by dishonest posters mainly the serial forum spammer(SFS). On page one and all together.

    Number 1: This shows a sequence where the reflection from the Sun is blocked out completely by a very narrow rod. This 100% refutes the stupid claim that it was some sort of massive light.

    [​IMG]

    Number 2: Demonstrates 100% that as the light levels in the camera are altered by aperture, so does the size of the blooming on the visor.

    [​IMG]

    Number 3: This shows a clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 4: This is a clear indicator of simultaneous soil dropping at the same speed as the jumper. This is 100% proof he is on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 5:
    This animation is the supposed "duplicate" background claim from the SFS. It shows that the distant mountains are actually just viewed from a more rotated vantage point. He actually denied that they are different and from obviously different places.

    [​IMG]

    Number 6:
    Here we have one of my favorites. The cloth from the ceiling, moving TOWARDS the approaching object and not doing so until it is virtually level.

    [​IMG]



    The responses to these have either been zero or moronic. He's now attempting to disprove something whilst ignoring the clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    9. Idiotic Closes: "You'd get laughed out of the debating hall ..."

    or

    "you're about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video"


    The sheer irony of this is always lost on him. If ever there was somebody who behaved like the Black Knight - as his arm gets chopped off it's a "moot point" it would be this serial forum spammer. There is not a debating environment on this planet where this person would show up to. He knows more than anyone that he would get the floor wiped with his drivel.
     
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    These animated gifs keep getting buried:

    Number 1: This shows a sequence where the reflection from the Sun is blocked out completely by a very narrow rod. This 100% refutes the stupid claim that it was some sort of massive light.

    [​IMG]

    Number 2: Demonstrates 100% that as the light levels in the camera are altered by aperture, so does the size of the blooming on the visor.

    [​IMG]

    Number 3: This shows a clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 4: This is a clear indicator of simultaneous soil dropping at the same speed as the jumper. This is 100% proof he is on the Moon.

    [​IMG]

    Number 5:
    This animation is the supposed "duplicate" background claim from the SFS. It shows that the distant mountains are actually just viewed from a more rotated vantage point. He actually denied that they are different and from obviously different places.

    [​IMG]

    Number 6:
    Here we have one of my favorites. The cloth from the ceiling, moving TOWARDS the approaching object and not doing so until it is virtually level.

    [​IMG]



    The responses to these have either been zero or moronic. He's now attempting to disprove something whilst ignoring the clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    [​IMG]
     
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