Appeals board upholds high school bathroom policy for transgender teen

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    http://www.wave3.com/story/26632779...h-school-bathroom-policy-for-transgender-teen

    The story is so controversial that I had to spend several minutes just digesting it and coming to an opinion. And I had to say I am shocked.
    First, I didn't get from the article if the kid has already undergone the transgender surgery (haven’t found either if such surgery is even possible for teenagers). Because if he is physically a boy than it’s not really healthy to let him go to girls’ restroom.
    Second, has anyone asked the girls how they would feel about a boy coming to their lady’s room? I bet they don’t care that he’s a girl in his head. So I wonder why it is considered ok that the right of the many for privacy is overruled by the right of one for… what, exactly?
    Though I sympathize the kid in his/her struggle for identity and all, I don’t see the situation and the resolution as fair.
     
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    To explain why the court ruled this way. There are toilets in bathroom stalls. But each toilet is surrounded by a wall. People can't see through walls, so the notion that a person would be upset over a transgender using a toilet freaking them out, is moot. After all, how can you freak out over something when you don't even know what's on the other side? At that point, if there is any fear, that's on the individual, not the person using the toilet.
     
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    I can assure you that the transgender teen is not looking under stall or doing anything wrong. The sad part is people that are very uniformed and there are plenty here do not understand and no matter what they are shown as fact will never get it. Simply because they do not care. They generally are so miserable in their life that fake outrage, ridicule, and flat out bigotry is justified for them.
     
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    What do you mean by "not healthy"? Forgive me if I'm completely off base here but remember this is entirely about gender, not sexuality.

    I'd hope they did. I'd hope they asked the boys too, since the alternative would be for the transgender student to be forced to use the boys restrooms instead. I'd hope it was an open, balanced and honest discussion across the school. I fear it won't have been though.

    I'm not convinced who it is being unfair to and if so, what would be the fairer resolution?
     
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    I agree. If you have male plumbing, you use the male restroom. What a person THINKS they are shouldn't be considered more important than the girls wanting the privacy of their restroom reserved only for girls.....

    And for those who are going to point out that there are stalls in the girls restroom, so what's the big deal? Well, aren't there stalls in the boys restroom also, so why can't he use the boys stall? A stall is a stall and why does it have to be a girl's stall for him? The guy can't do his business unless he has a girl sitting on each side of him?

    The parents of Sam AKA Sally should be telling their SON that he's not the only kid in school and needs to consider the feelings and wishes of his classmates...... the world does not revolve around him. Period.

    Until the transgender has had the surgery, then he should abide by the rules and not expect special treatment just for HIM..... BS!
     
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    Dont worry about someone being in your bed room. Leftwing judges are now in our bathrooms.
     
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    They are stalls in the boy's toilet too, as it was mentioned above. So, what's the difference then? And if there are stalls, why to make separate bathrooms in the first place? Probably, because there are some other reasons apart from just not seeing a person next to you?

    Meaning 'not healthy' I wasn't talking about sexuality. I was talking about different things. Like things he can see there which a teenage boy (and he is still a boy) is not really prepared for, I believe (for example, all those things that come along with girls' monthly inconveniences). Or things that girls might see accidentally. Or just the fact that girls are forced to tolerate a boy in their rest room...
    Plus just think about the psychological climate in this school after that. Teenagers are cruel. And vulnerable. Imagine a 11-year-old girl coming into a restroom and seeing a boy there. He doesn't have a sign he is a girl inside. How would this girl feel?

    Well, I'm not sure... To provide him with a separate bathroom?
    To make a bathroom for both boy and girls (for what's the difference if there are stalls?)
    Or ask adult transgenders how they deal with it?
     
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    Have any of you all seen the 'woman' (formerly a man) that fought in the female MMA bout?

    That dude beat his female competitor silly.

    Not sure how its related to this story, but, you know...
     
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    So then why do we segregate men and women bathrooms?

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    Or they could just send the homosexual to a teachers bathroom which is almost always a one seater.
     
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    Maybe his parents should get the mentally ill boy some professional help instead of giving in to his delusions.

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    Give the communist some time and that will change.
     
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    So Im a male who identifies myself as a female. I don't really like the whole feminine look I prefer the more masculine look with my short hair like many women do. I will now use the womens locker room at the gym.

    If any woman in there is offended by me then they are a bigot. I have the right to call myself a woman and use their locker room and change alongside them and use their restroom.

    Nobody has any issues with that do you?
     
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    I don't see how the things you describe here would be unhealthy. There are details that the school would need to work though but that would be true if the transgender student was forced to use the boys bathrooms too.

    A separate bathroom for one student seems impractical and changing one or more of their bathrooms to unisex in response to a single student could well be too.

    Based on limited experience and common sense, I suspect they use bathrooms relating to the gender they identify with though obviously have to take care with where they go given the discrimination against their condition could literally put their lives at risk.
     
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    Because seperate but equal is not at all equal.
     
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    So by that logic both men and women should be able using the same bathrooms and lockerooms because by them being separate they aren't equal, yes?
     
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    Sure why not?
     
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    Im pretty sure most men would have very little issue with that. Most women however might not be as quick to welcome such a thing.
     
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    I can assure you that as this trend continues it will lead to more violations of young women. Once this stands you will see sexual perverts simply using this as an excuse to gain access to women and children.

    Here is another case to look at to see the proliferation of this disgusting rule by yet another liberal activist judge.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/transgender-student-in-womens-locker-room-raises-uproar/

    Now your going to tell me that you would have no problem letting your young daughter change into a swimsuit in front of a grown man and that there is absolutely no threat there?
     
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    This is the kind of disturbing logic that one must engage in when one accepts the perversion of homosexuality.
     
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    schools should be gender neutral imo
     
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    So you would have no issues with your teenage daughter taking a shower in the locker room with a bunch of teenage boys?
     
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    where did I say that, I have issues with my boy taking naked showers with other boys and the gym teacher... how about private showers like the adult gym I go to

    do you really support group showers?


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    but its gender neutral so what's the big deal?

    Seems you take issue with this after all

    most gyms do not have Private showers either......
     
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    that is my point, they should have private showers..... not group showers....

    "Seems you take issue with this after all"

    I said this "schools should be gender neutral imo", not sure where I ever said anything other than that, so not sure what your talking about? strawman fail!


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