Apply background checks for gun purchases to voting

'If Democrats really believe that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System doesn’t interfere “in any way” with people’s constitutional rights to own a gun, doesn't it follow that the same system would not constitute an infringement on people’s right to vote? This would give Republicans a system for stopping vote fraud and Democrats a system that they have already vigorously endorsed.'

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Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-gun-background-checks-voting-0912-story.html

 

Can't. There's no reasonable suspicion or probable cause - thus, this is a prior restraint.
Its OK for it to be done with firearms because the left wants to make it as difficult as possible for the law abiding to buy a gun.

 

It could be done for the same reasons.

Background checks are to ensure felons don't acquire firearms. Background checks on voters can be done for the same reason. To ensure felons and those not legally allowed to vote, can't.

I would love to see it suggested, just for the resulting head explosions.

 

we could require gay men to get a background check before engaging in sex to make sure that HIV or AIDS is not being spread. After all-AIDS has killed more Americans in the last 30 years than unlawful homicide through gunshot. of course, we would have to make the health records of gays available to NICS and an affirmative duty of doctors to report infected individuals. but then again, gun banners want that with mental health records so they should be on board with that.

after all, if it just saves ONE LIFE

 

If AIDS / HIV only affected Gay men, that would equal a very slim percentage of the population, this disease is also spread by bisexual males and females as well as IV drug users.

The myth of AIDS / HIV being a disease affecting only Gay men is responsible for the deaths of many Heterosexuals.

Only complete testing of all people and treatment of infected people can stop the spread of AIDS / HIV....

 

I want background checks on all potential parents

 

uh you missed the point

 

So then only a small minority of people would have to get the BC just like for guns....or do you want everyone buying a gun to get a BC?

 

Everybody gets the BC to buy a gun from an FFL. Some get it on the spot and some are pre-BC with CHLs, FOIDs, Military IDs, etc....., but we all get BCd. Why shouldn't we have the same requirements for voting? Would it be an infringement of a right?

 

But not all sales....in fact most....do not require a BC

 

Prove that such is indeed the case. Present your citations for review.

 

Nah. Why bother?

 

I apoligize then.

Because once again, you are wrong.
All firearms sales through an F.F.L.
requires a b.c. verification and levels of safeguard by I.D. verification at the point of sale.

Even if you order a handgun by mail, it must be delivered to an F.F.L. and a b.c. is performed at the final point of sale by the F.F.L
If you have a C&R license by ATF, such curio and relic firearms can be delivered to your door sans a local F.F.L.
Sometimes a C&R firearm is indeed quite modern.

 

That is a flat out lie. Private sales are not sales? Why are you lying?

 

You claimed that most firearm sales did not involve a background check. Prove it.

Even the gun banner "researchers" try to make your argument, and fail. As in here https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/private-sale-loophole-background-check-harvard-research/

• Roughly 60 percent: the share of gun owners surveyed who did go through a background check when they obtained (through sale or transfer) their latest gun.
• Roughly 40 percent: the share of gun owners who did not.

Even your gun banner pals at Harvard say you are wrong.

But really there is no way to know the number of private sales. Ever since Bill Clinton's 1994 gun ban, surveys about firearms are notoriously unreliable.

 

Yeah they are. Completely unreliable

 

vegas thinks if you don't hold a federal license you can actually receive firearms from common carriers (UPS, FEDEX, or so forth). He thinks that background checks are going to stop criminals even though the background checks performed on 60% of the sales for 24 years hasn't done squat

 

I have found that even mlost gun owners doing private sales ask for id or a permit

 

Because failure to do such will result in being reported for violation of forum rules. Baseless claims, and a refusal to cite sources for said claims, is derailing of the discussion.

 

That is factually incorrect. You can however shop for a gun on your computer and pick it up the same day without a BC. Can you see what the problem is with that?

 

They already do this and most states do not allow felons to vote.

Glad you support the concept of full scope background checks for ALL gun purchases.

It is the reasonable position.

 

The DOJ said in their 2010 report "Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies" that without a reduction in straw purchases, comprehensive registration of all firearms and an easy transfer process, universal background checks are ineffective and unenforceable. Given that, UBCs, don't seem "reasonable" at all.

Some question on how you think the process should work:

1. Is the background check just for sales, or for transfers like loans and gifts?
2. Would it be necessary for sales between family members?
3. In a community property state, if a spouse purchases a gun does the other spouse also need to pass a background check?
4. Would transfers to the following require a background check:
a. Law Enforcement Officers
b. Concealed Weapons permit holders.
c. Someone who already legally owns guns?
d. Someone who passed a background check yesterday or early in the same day?
5. Could two friends exchange guns while hunting without a background check?
6. Could two friends exchange guns while shooting at a range or in a National Forest?
7. What would happen if someone failed the background check?
8. How does an LEO know if a gun in someone's possession was acquired via a background check?

 

The DOJ does not make law and are entitled to their opinion....but nothing more

 

Expert opinion, you should note.

 

A SINGLE expert opinion from one group. And I am fine with resolving all those questions too. They are easily resolved