Applying the Graham standard for impeachment means Don is toast.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Naturally, no one expects the Repubs to apply the same standard to the Liar-in-Chief. After all, he's part of their tribe. More importantly, he's extremely popular with the base.

    It's true that some congressional Dems have said they think impeachment is warranted. If you believe what Graham said on the floor of the House many years ago, before he became a Trump sycophant, they are correct. But the Dem leadership has stayed away from such things, preferring (as most of us have) to wait to see what Mueller's report..........and what follows Mueller's report.........reveals.
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    It will be interesting to see if, beyond Mueller's conclusions, Congress gets to see the underlying documents that formed his decisions as it did with the documents pertaining to the investigation in to Hillary's server.

    "since the Justice Department agreed to turn over some 880,000 pages of discovery to Congress in the investigation over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server."

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...nduct-compromising-damaging-national-security

    Once again, don't be a bit surprised if Repubs apply a double standard. It's how they roll.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Mueller report shows that the stupid idea of impeaching the President is a totally ignorant idea, and probably a drug induce fantasy. Time to give up that BS. You have lost, President Trump has been vindicated, get over it. Move on.
     
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    Um Clinton was accused of crimes and those crimes were supported by an investigation. What Cohen accused Trump of has no been supported by Mueller unlike what happened with the Starr report.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BTW you keep name calling "liar in chief", list some of those lies if you can.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you've missed the point. Perhaps intentionally. Did you bother to listen to what Lindsey said in his speech?
     
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    Now is not the time to impeach Trump -- but it could be ...
    The Raw Story
    10 days ago · On Tuesday, Constitutional law expert Laurence Tribe explained to MSNBC’s Katy Tur that as of now there is not a reason to impeach President Donald Trump

    LMAO.....now the Demo Operatives are tying to talk about the Repubs having a double standard trying to get the focus off of them and their double standard.

    Remember Democrats always accuse others of doing what they are exactly doing.

    Oh and add Dershowitz and Turley to Tribe. All Constitutional experts saying there is not a reason to impeach Trump.

    Which leaves nothing but leftist feelings and their TDS.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't tell what point you are trying to make. Do you disagree with what Lindsey said about the merits of impeaching Clinton?
     
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    You mean you are confused about 3 Constitutional Attorneys saying there was no reason to impeach Trump at this time? You weren't able to filter that down, huh? Can you explain why you couldn't figure that point out? Give it your best shot as to why you weren't able to comprehend that point.

    Oh and No one is disagreeing with Graham about the Merits of impeaching Hillary. But then you think those same merits apply to Trump.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I fear you've just revealed that you didn't watch the video since Graham was talking about Bill's impeachment. You should really watch it and then decide if you agree with what he said.
     
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    Sen. Lindsey Graham Just Called For a SPECIAL COUNSEL To ...
    https://welovetrump.com/2019/03/15/sen-lindsey-graham-just-called...
    Sen. Lindsey Graham called Thursday for Congress to create a special counsel to probe the FBI and Justice Department, saying evidence is mounting that they treated Hillary Clinton more leniently than they did President Trump during the 2016 election campaign.



    Evidently you didn't get all of the merits he was talking about. Now why is that Atwater? You didn't think you could hide all the merits Graham brought out into the open did you?
     
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    I still see no evidence of Trump committing a crime. And having bad hair isn’t enough for impeachment.
     
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    The spin and manic gesticulations by the crushed losers on the left will surprise no one.

    Posturing in the face of defeat is a common response from such pitiful souls.

    What I think will be helpful for the nation will be to see people like Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, etc., investigated and indicted for their treasonous actions. That process is already getting started.

    Only then will the Nation be able to get past this dark period orchestrated by the New Democratic Party and it's followers in government offices.
     
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    You've struck on the point of my posting the video of Graham. It was his adamant contention the commission of a crime was not a necessary element in the justification for impeachment.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Touched a nerve?

    Exactly how is the whataboutism in your OP relevant to anything? Running out of ways to spin and deflect?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More like touched my funny bone. You are amusing.
     
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    So more deflection.

    How is the whataboutism in your OP relevant to anything?

    Is the propaganda machine still trying to get a foothold in the face of total defeat, so it's just throwing BS out?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Back in the day, when Lindsey was making the case that the commission of a crime was not necessary to impeach Billy Bob, would he have suggested that concealing negotiations for a real estate deal with an enemy of the US who was covertly trying to help Don get elected by social media subterfuge merited impeachment?

    Would he contend that concealing extra-marital affairs from the public by breaking campaign finance law would be enough?
     
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    The American people won't support impeachment unless there's clear and unambiguous evidence of a serious crime.
     
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    Investigations should begin after evidence (conclusive proof) is found showing that a crime has been committed. In America, we don't investigate someone because we don't like them.

    So as of today, what crime has a Trump committed?
     
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    That might be correct. And it's the reason Dem leadership has been patiently saying we need to wait for the report before drawing conclusions. But we should be clear that the commission of a crime is NOT an essential element for a prez to be removed from office.
     
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    In America we investigate the possible commission of a crime when circumstantial evidence suggests one or more was committed.
     
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    Ok.

    But if there's no crime, the president would have to do something horribly immoral. It has to be more than just, "He didn't tip the waitress, probably because she was black. He's a racist!!!".
     
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    In your opinion, does participating in the commission of a violation of campaign finance law, a violation Cohen has plead guilty to, in order to deceive the voting public qualify as something immoral/illegal?

    Let's give Don the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't aware what he did was a violation of law. He still knowingly tried to deceive the public by concealing information it would have considered before voting in the election.
     
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    Or, as operators connected to the New Democratic Party have shown, in the case of the President, we fabricate evidence, and then go searching for any crimes, even if unrelated, in order to intimidate and harm people we don't like.
     
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