Applying the Graham standard for impeachment means Don is toast.

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  1. ocean515

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    Cohen's testimony, made under duress and threat, has no bearing on whether the President committed a crime.

    Cohen is a convicted con man and liar. It wouldn't take much to eliminate whatever such a scumbag had to say.

    Stormy, the subject of the alleged campaign finance violation, has already been destroyed in court.

    And let's not forget that Obama paid the largest fine in history for campaign finance violations. Was he indicted? Did anyone on his team face court hearings?

    Wishful thinking is a poor replacement for objective observation.
     
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    Cmon now.....not if one is a leftist. All it takes is an Accusation. Just ask Kavanaugh.
     
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    You can practically see the desperation oozing off the screen. Suck it up buttercup, your ilk were hysterical about trump being a super secret KGB agent, and you embarrassed yourself in the process. Muller’s Report didn’t deliver Trump’s head like all of you hoped it would.

    The irony is, the so called #resistance, which resembles a clown show, probably has helped more to re-elect Trump in 2020.
    I look forward to four more years of cringe worthy leftist melodrama.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I recall, the court documents filed with respect to the charge Cohen broke campaign finance law referred to corroborating testimony made by unnamed individuals in the indictment. Presumably Weisselberg being one. And of course we have the evidence of Don's repayment of the hush money given to Daniels in the form of the checks Cohen produced.

    "Cohen mentioned the longtime Trump Organization chief financial officer more than two dozen times during the hearing, including in conversations about the plan to pay off Daniels. Cohen also said he and Weisselberg spoke further about the strategy in Weisselberg’s office at Trump Tower. Cohen also said Weisselberg and Donald Trump Jr. signed a 2017 check reimbursing him for the hush money payments."

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/27/michael-cohen-hearing-trump-circle-1194520
     
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    LOL, 'stands accused of' with no evidence other than Hillary's opposition research. Remember when democrats said wait for the Mueller report? Now they will, of course, change their narrative because nothing Mueller has done relates to what he 'stands accused of'.
     
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    Dem leadership have already backed off from impeachment because they are afraid that it will look vindictive and hurt them in 2020. Well, so far they are very vindictive because they lost power and now that they have some back, the claws come out. This isn't about the people but all about power for the democrats.
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    Should be a piece of cake to deal with this.

    Trump self financed for one, so he can donate any amount he wants. Two, Cohen could have acted alone. Paying a legal bill is not against the law. Three, Cohen is a convicted liar, so his credibility can be proven to be nonexistent.

    There's a hundred angles.

    And then once again, Obama didn't go to jail, nor anyone on his team, even though he paid the largest fine in history for campaign finance violations.
     
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    He'll argue that he's paid off a dozen women in his lifetime. When the porn star came to him and demanded money, he just did what he always did.
     
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    And when do we stop? How high of a mountain of taxpayers dollars are you willing to spend in pursuit of your mythical boogeyman? When is enough enough?
     
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    When ya gonna get started?
     
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    Sure.

    It's just too bad the bar is above "orange man bad".
     
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    Perhaps you're suggesting a 2nd Amendment solution? Given the level of hysteria on the left....
     
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not for Graham, who made the case impeachment was justified because he thought "Billy Bob bad."
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe this will help with your profound confusion.

    Michael Cohen Plea Agreement: Possible Meanings of the Campaign Finance Counts

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-cohen-plea-agreement-possible-meanings-campaign-finance-counts
     
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    Wasn’t yesterday bad enough for you guys?
    I mean one would think about taking a little bit of time after scraping so much egg off your face, before launching into the next round of nonsense.
     
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    LOL

    An opinion on a legal blog. From Bob Bauer. Do you know who he is?

    Let me help clear away your confusion: Bob Bauer served as White House Counsel to President Obama.

    Here's the operative sentence:

    "How the case develops from here is not possible to judge at this time,..."
    Not possible to judge, but I will anyway...….

    Keep clicking those heals. The thousands of predictions and accusations about President Trump made over the last 2 years have proven you to be quite accurate.....
     
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    I see you would like to believe what Graham said was something other than what he actually said, and just what your feelings would like to believe.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Homeboy thinks there’s gonna be impeachment over possible campaign finance violations.
     
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    According to AP, the immunity granted to the Trump Organisation's chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, was restricted to his grand jury testimony last month in the Cohen case — specifically the allegations that Mr Cohen paid hush money to two women who claimed affairs with Mr Trump, according to one of the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-25/trumps-finance-chief-given-immunity-in-cohen-probe/10164082

    Meaning...........the feds don't have to rely on Cohen's testimony alone concerning Don's legal exposure to campaign finance law violations.
     
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    I'm basing my post on exactly what Graham said.
     
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    :bored: Committee(s) ... any # of them, can at any time submit criminal referrals for violation of FEC laws. Either to the DOJ / FEC or both. Naturally the FEC has already been brought in to investigate per Mueller / SDNY request. Trump isn't going to jail for FEC violations even if he's guilty. (R)'s in the Senate won't impeach him over a fine either. Maybe "Trump's a crook" will soothe you feelings though? I'd recommend anti depressants though ... cause SDNY can't indict til 2021... :;:)
     
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    It's kind of pathetic how you find it necessary to put words in my mouth. Just sayin'.
     
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    I don't disagree with your assessment he will not be impeached for campaign finance law violations or that the SDNY won't bring charges until 2021.
     
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    Interesting. The investigation has revealed all manner of criminal activities by close associates of Don, people he surrounded himself with for months or years. It has revealed unethical, immoral, and potentially criminal activities by Don himself. Investigations in to the latter are ongoing. His personal conduct during the investigation has shown him to be a vindictive, small, vulgar man who for selfish purposes has engaged in attacks on members of his party, the DOJ, FBI, and anyone else he perceived to be a threat. He has instructed associates to obstruct the various investigations, cheered them when they did so, and encouraged that obstruction by implying they would be rewarded with a pardon. He tried to cover up the true nature of a meeting his son took under the pretense of getting electoral help from the Russian government. A meeting former chief of staff Bannon called a treasonous act. He sought to bring the FBI investigation to an end by firing Jim Comey who would not pledge loyalty to Don. He has refused to testify in front of Mueller, all the while maintaining his innocence.
    He has accepted the word of Vlad Putin over our own intel agencies with respect to Russia's help in getting him elected. That's worthy of a pause. Russia helped get him elected. He has baselessly smeared the reputations of those investigating him. He fired the antebellum lawn jockey known as Jeff for not protecting him. He has told countless lies in pursuit of maintaining popularity with his base supporters. He threatened to fire Mueller, a curious threat given his claimed innocence, only to back down after the WH counsel said he would quit. And on it goes.
    No matter what comes now, those of us who recognized Don for being unfit to lead this nation aren't the ones with egg on our faces.
     

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