Are FISA warrants just a rubber stamp to get around the US Bill of Rights?

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Are FISA warrants just a rubber stamp to get around the US Bill of Rights?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Not by law but is in practice now

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court (FISA) rejected only 12 of 38,169 requests for surveillance warrants between 1979 and 2015.

    This means that about 99.7 percent of warrant requests have been approved in the 36 years since FISA’s inception. The last time a warrant was rejected was in 2009, when two requests were rejected and 1,320 were approved.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/06/fisa-surveillance-requests-are-almost-never-rejected/

    FISA warrants were used by the Clintons and Obama via Obama's FBI and DOJ to wiretap and spy on the Republican opposition candidate - and then used to spy on the President-elect.
    Were FISA warrants obtained concerning Podesta money laundering thru a black listed Russian bank? No.
    To spy on Clinton as they corrupted the Democratic Primary? No.
    To spy on the Clintons over the Clinton Foundation? No.
    To spy on Clinton's deal over uranium - leading to $100+ million to the Clinton Foundation and $500,000 into Bill Clinton's personal pocket? No.
    A FISA warrant over the Clintons paying to obtain information from Russians about Trump? No.
    Rather, the incumbent Democratic President, DOJ and FBI specifically used FISA warrants to spy on the Republican opposition, even after elected.

    That is Deep State corruption and collusion against American democracy and elections as it gets.
     
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    It always smacked of secret courts and skulduggery. I dont like that.
     
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    Hence the very reason they can be abused, and have been, as demonstrated. Dems just got caught with their collective hands under the skirt. A super dark day for us as we reflect on the horrors exposed today. The light shining bright though is that the information has now been released, and we as a nation can now respond appropriately to the abuses of the fascist on the left.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reality of what was done by Clinton, Obama and the FBI is horrific. This is KGB and Gestapo deep state. It is not just that anyone remotely involved should be fired, but prosecuted. Anyone not involved, but who did had knowledge of this happening and did not act to stop it, should be fired. NO exceptions. Spying on a political campaign, candidate, and candidate's staff is ABSOLUTELY intolerable and as anti-democracy as possible.

    We know who involved in collusion with the Russians and in collusion to corrupt the election: 1.) Clintons, 2.) Obama, 3.) DNC, 4.)DOJ and 5.) FBI. Indirect then so did most of the press and MSM.

    Had Clinton become president we might as well have voided the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights.
     
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    Sure it is a rubber stamp. Common knowledge evidenced by the number of cases involved since 1978 and the number turned down by the judges. I think it is something like 35K being applied for, with only less than 20 if I recall correctly rejected.

    Of course if the FBI deems it an emergency, they can spy on americans without the judge saying ok, and have 90 days to apply for the warrant. If they wait and do it like that, and if the judge says they cannot do it, they just have to stop spying. A freebie. Yes, looks really like it adheres to our constitution. But the powers that be says it is ok to do this. Granting themselves the power.
     
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    Are FISA warrants just a rubber stamp to get around the US Bill of Rights?

    Is a Big Mac simply a lucky non rotten burger or do they make sure the meat is not putrid before they cook it? Do you think people just mail a request for a FISA warrant?
     
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    Do you have any objective evidence that FISA warrants were used by democrats to spy on their opposition and that Republicans didn't do the same when they were in power?
     
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    I think the stats show the FBI puts a warrant in front of a FISA judge and the judge signs it regardless of what it says. Anyone who understands the criminal justice system understand judges sign 99.9% of warrants put in front of the judge. The ONLY reason law enforcement need be careful for an arrest warrant or even a search warrant might be for a trial or appeal. That safeguard generally does not exist in relation to FICA courts.
     
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    Proving, once again, "We, the People" were ****ing morons for supporting the Patriot Act out of fear.

    I've been against the Patriot Act since it's inception. Better to just hand out box knives to passengers and let Americans defend themselves as demonstrated on United 93 rather than give up essential liberties for the illusion of safety.

    Now we must reap what we've sown. Those who want to make this partisan are full of horse puckey.
     
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    Mueller implemented the changes to Title I 15 years ago due to abuses and to protect American citizens.

    Title I allows the FBI to investigate every aspect of Pages life and to wiretap any and all communications and investigate with anyone he comes in contact with; thus, the valid charge the Trump Tower was wiretapped.

    Now, this means the FBI presented valid and vetted information to the court Page was a spy for a foreign country. That ‘valid and vetted’ information was the dossier and a Yahoo article which was information from Steele or basically they used Steele to verify Steele.
     
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    Under Title I used on Page they have to show that Page engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States on behalf of a foreign power.
     
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    It is clear that you do not quite grasp what happens BEFORE the judges ever see a request. There is a reason that over 99% of these warrants gain approval, the request is heavily researched, vetted, verified and gone over to avoid embarrassment and rejection. Reams of supporting information, documentation and previous investigation are presented to a panel who then read and discuss the implications to reach their decision...think of it as a trial.
     
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    In your worship of the rich and powerful maybe.

    There is no trial. Trials have two sides. Of course, what you are claiming is the FBI does a "trial" among itself.

    But that didn't happen and no one claims it did.

    Exactly NO ONE has claimed the Dossier was "vetted" or discussed. Ever. The FBI puts a secret warrant no one can ever see in front of a judge and he signs it. There is no hearing, no trial, no notice, no cross examination, no testimony, no witnesses, no transcript and no appeal. Technically, the judge could literally use a rubber stamp but to pretend he's doing something probably physically signs it before it is hidden away.

    In fact, no one has ever said there was probably cause that the Trump person at subject to the warrant was a Russian agent. Literally, it has not even been claimed there was "probably cause," which is an absolute requirement. The statute does not allow fishing expeditions in search of probably cause. Probable cause has to exist first. This was 100% ignored nor was anything vetted or examined. That's not even disputed.
     
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    As it seems very clear you have reading comprehension issues I bid you good day rather that waste my time typing.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good day to you too.
     
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    You have answered your own question without any need for your deep state mumbo jumbo. The FBI does it's homework and doesn't present frivolous applications for FISA warrants. They know what is required and don't waste the time of the courts.

    But I love the irony of your poll. Do a random set of people who know nothing about FISA warrants think they are random?

    Next up, what does Joe the Plumber think of the latest Loop Quantum Gravity models.
     
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    Secret courts and FISA warrants are blatantly unconstitutional. They violate the very core of the Bill of Rights. But then again these days, virtually everything done by the US government, ALL 3 branches is unconstitutional.
     
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    When Democrats are in charge anything goes, they have proven time and time again that laws don't apply to them as long as they get what they want . Hence sanctuary cities.
     
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