Are religions, our tribes within tribes, now redundant and a costly moral and financial burden.

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Are religions, our tribes within tribes, now redundant and a costly moral and financial burden.

    Governments create laws for us, and some think some Gods do as well. Most countries are following their secular government laws while ignoring religious laws.

    I think religions, our tribes within tribes, are now redundant, and a costly moral and financial burden. Like it or not, the state is now our real Gods. We follow state laws.

    I like that, given that secular law is rather more moral than the laws of the supernatural Gods.

    Those Gods like and use all kinds of evils against their powerless creations. They kill us with frivolous cause when they can just as easily cure, --- when they are not asking us to hate our LGBTQ children, --- and devalue the souls of women, --- just for the hell of it.

    Nice that most states do not allow that evil to go too far within its borders. Governments should raise the bar of goodness for religions though. They are getting way too loony in the far Qanon riddled right wing.

    Religions promote that we trust our governments as they are there by the will of God.

    Religions then proceed to preach for laws that are well below the standards of good governance and what the states have put into place.

    The states that allow this are not doing their duty of having the secular law preached by those tax exempt professional con men and liars who run the religion.

    If religions are so corrupt to not recognize the better state ideology and law, they should not be allowed to preach it’s evil and inferior theology and laws.

    Our children deserve better than what our God religions are giving them.

    We pay them many hundreds of dollars yearly.

    I am a religious person. My God is as real as all other Gods. He is redundant. That is why Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers for a better set of laws and rules to live by.

    I think all the other Gods are redundant, regardless of the vast amount of good they gave us in the past.

    I think they have become harmful to our Western societies.

    Thoughts?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    As my posts on various religion forum threads have demonstrated, I personally do not believe in a supernatural invisible man in the sky. That being said, government(s) need checks and balances and religion(s) provide a useful value in this regard. Allowing government to define morality is a lot more dangerous than allowing traditional religions to define morality. The later (traditional religions) as a general rule have created morality that in the long run proves beneficial to society. Atheistic governments have a historical track record of killing and murdering many millions of people.

    Don't fall into the trap of making government your religion.
     
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    So, better to adore a genocidal prick who preaches for homophobia and misogyny, than most western governments who preach for equality.

    You are not a woman or LGBTQ and are not living by the Golden Rule.

    Go away, with your immoral thinking.

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    To a degree... your question seems to somewhat correspond with what was shown to former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict.



    https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/



    On the other hand I do believe that profound spiritual experiences like NDE accounts are positively transforming all the religions of the world and the various religious organizations are soon going to become a force for vastly more good than harm. The world's religions are being transformed by NDE accounts as well as by an increase in the amount of the Holy Spirit / Ruach ha Kodesh that is being poured out on all flesh.
     
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    **** off, --- and remove your deflecting and self-serving garbage as you go.

    I don't know why the mods let you do such garbage.

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    DL
     
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    God as purported source of law, and God as the highest authority, ultimate dictator, higher than King, does have some value in a dictatorial society in so far that the King himself believes it and in so far that the religion keeps the King from abusing his people. Making a remote imaginary being ultimate authority means no human can be ultimate authority, and thereby prevents absolute complete despotism.

    Paradoxically, it also enforces authoritarianism up until that point, keeping the people obedient and controlled and deferential, defering their moral judgment to the clergy. That does make for more unified and cohesive society, but also less free, less democratic and less progressive society.

    I am liberal and embrace the freedom and self determination that comes with democracy and people freely making their own moral judgments, but I can see why conservatives are weary of of mob rule and losing traditions that have served the people for centuries.
     
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    For the most part the religion of various states is the de facto religion of the world and has been since the beginning. So your beliefs are not new or even rare.

    What is rare is the realization that this is the case. But I’m not sure if you realize this. The state has been the religion since ancient times. And even now, all young people in most states in the U.S. are required to say one or two prayers to the state every school day. In addition, most American Football games are arranged like worship services paid for by the state.

    Yes, 90% of people in the world worship their state as their primary religion. You are in the majority.
     
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    The God religions had their value. They got us to a more moral way of thinking, but their ways are no longer progressing the way secular laws are.

    The God religions preach faith in God, while the King tell gays and women that they are not the low value souls that religions are preaching.

    Better to have faith is a government we can control.

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    DL
     
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    Gnostic Christians are both a part and apart of the majority. We are perpetual seekers of the best rules and laws to live by, and never worship whatever set of Gods are at hand.

    Idol worship is frowned upon by those close to my God. No wonder Jesus preached against having idols.

    Jesus put man above God.

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    True, and it would not be so bad if the religious were not vile homophobes and misogynistic.

    They are supposed to unite, not divide without a just cause.

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    Yes, but I do not worship what I should always try to rise even further on the morality scale.

    Christians have accepted poor morals because they idol worship.

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    DL
     

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