Are Repubs okay with this?

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I'm on the "right" by any measure and I loathe Donald Trump.

    Have for years.
     
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    You and your ilk's posting history clearly show that is false.
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You made a claim. Prove it.
     
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    But you (as well as others) are defending Trumps idea.
     
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    Apparently you like his idea of shooting protesters.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you see how you have created a self-serving false analogy? That is, mentioning brainstorming in speaking about the spontaneous reaction of one cop in the middle of a violent riot. As opposed to Trump, speaking from the safety of the WH, about how he wanted the protesters in DC handled. Namely, shot in the legs.
    The brainstorming relative to 1/6 had already taken place. The order was given to the cops not to use "their most powerful crowd control weapons." Which I find to be astonishing by comparison. Because there must be dozens, if not hundreds, of examples when the 1/6 protesters could have been justifiably shot while assaulting police officers.
     
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  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The point isn't about whether he lied or not. Trump asked an astonishing question, one that no president in history would have ever made, which is to use the US Military to shoot at citizens. The point is that he asked a question that reveals an incredible ignorance of the separation of powers, which, in this case, the Military to not be used to murder it's own citizens, not to be involved in politics, not to be used as a political tool of the president, which would require a declaration of Martial Law, which nothing about the protests warranted such a radical move. Such a concept would be obvious to every prior president, and, as a result, such a question would not have arisen. But, nothing is too incredible or extreme for this president, as he is grossly unaware of the limits of his powers.

    The point, Kai'Stang, is presidential ignorance on a level hitherto not seen in history. The point, Kai'Stang, is Trump's unfitness for the office.
    Again, you're not grasping the conversation. It's not about Trump being on trial. It's about presidential ignorance.

    There is no reason to believe that Mark Esper, former Sec'y of the Army, former Sec'y of Defense, West Point graduate, is going to lie about what the president said. The president asked some startling questions that belie a degree of ignorance from which it is not unreasonable to conclude the man is unfit to be president.
    Moot point. See above.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    All ramifications of the pandemic, a pandemic whose upward trajectory was vastly accelerated under the gross incompetence of Trump, who, when he could have nipped the pandemic in the bud in it's incipient stages by containing it via aggressive testing, he resisted testing. Why did he resist? "Testing causes more cases" he said. If that doesn't tell you how stupid Trump, is, nothing will.

    Biden wouldn't have resisted, and, as a result, 10s of thousands of lives would have been saved, the pandemic wouldn't have been as worse, and many of the extreme ramifications caused by Trump Biden would not have to be dealing with, today.

    That's why he is better.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, those are not the rules, you made that up. There is such a thing as someone who is so ignorant he is unfit.

    This proves it.
     
  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The president does, indeed, pretty much, have a free hand, in ordering nukes.

    You see, the only person standing in way of an order for nuclear strike by the President, is the Secretary of Defense.

    Ay, but here's the rub. The SoD can only verify the order, he cannot veto it.

    But, in your favor, the Generals in the chain of command would rightfully expect an explanation for the strike, and if there is anything about the order that seemed illegal, they would be obligated to not obey.

    so, whether or not nukes would fly would depend on a general's discretion of whether the order was illegal or not.

    But, here is where it gets sticky.

    If the President lies and claims he has intel that Russia was preparing and about to order a nuclear strike, it would not be illegal for the president to order a preemptive strike, given that time is of the essence, and no general is going to risk his career if he is not 100% sure the president is lying, or the order is illegal without verification of facts, and in such a moment, a general does not have that luxury. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe this is the case.

    The point is, a determined lunatic could order nukes, and there isn't much anyone could do about it.

    That is why you, me, and all citizens should, indeed, be concerned about the level of competence of the president.

    The point is, if a president is so ignorant about the sphere of his power, regarding the fact that a president cannot use the military as a political tool, a plight about which this president is clearly ignorant, he is unfit to be in charge of the nuclear codes given the fact that on the issue of ordering a nuclear strike, he does have that power.
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

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    The fact that you find yourself trying to convey, to members of The Following, just how spectacularly deviant it was for Trump to entertain such a thought, let alone express it, only to metaphorically see the blank stares you get in return, tells you everything you need to know about his cult leader stature.
     
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    Writing a book about one's experience while serving the president is common.

    There is nothing to suggest that the former Sec'y of the Army, the former Sec'y of Defense, a West Point graduate, would be lying on such a critical point.

    Nothing.

    Therefore, your implication is absurd. Such a claim could easily be verified, and if he were caught lying, the backlash to his reputation and legacy would destroy him. Recall that Esper said Trump directed his question to other Generals in the room. They could be easily be questioned to verify the claim and your premise would require complicity by other personnel, which is nuts.

    Yes, your implication is ridiculous.
     
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    Do you like the idea of shooting protesters? Shoot to kill... is that your idea how it's done?

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  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    Your statement has an assumed premise.

    A president doesn't order a massive action such as a withdrawal blindly, he operates on advice from the Secretary of Defense and other key personnel.

    Could they get it wrong, sure, but your premise 'blindly' which implies willy nilly is an unfair accusation.


     
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    This is the problem with many on the right, they live in a black and white world, where they believe everything is simple, simple choices, and their level of cognitive dissonance is massive on the concept that the real world is far more complex than their simplistic minds are capable of grasping.

    You appear to be ignorant of all the facts and circumstances. Why don't you take time and educate yourself rather than make kneejerk conclusions?


     
  16. Patricio Da Silva

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    Since your premise lacks depth, context, lacks robustness, given that the premise assumes certain things about a president not present in this president, which is:

    1. A basic knowledge of civics, especially in the arena of separation of powers.
    2. A basic knowledge of world political dynamics at least in the strategic regions.
    3. A basic knowledge of the limits of presidential power.
    4. An ability to articulate his ideas at least at the high school level, and preferably at the college graduate level.
    5. A personal past devoid of excessive sexual transgressions and financial corruption.

    And this president lacks all five, and by virtue of that fact, he is unfit to be president and that fact renders the 'brainstorming' point moot. Why? I don't expect, nor would I want the brainstormers to have to deal with a president who lacks those five fundamentals that I would expect any president of which to be in full possession.
     
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    Of course they are okay with it.

    Republicans are becoming violently inclined. They already account for the largest percentage of terrorist attacks in America.

    As long as those things are happening to people that conservatives dont like, they will be fine with all of it.
     
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    Your sentiment is not a merit worthy argument for political discourse, nevermind the fact that no one cares about your sentiments.
     
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    I think your totally right. Its obvious that Conservatives have become the most violent threat to current America.


    It doesnt matter. IT SHOULDNT EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION. PERIOD. AT ALL.
     
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    It wasnt brainstorming.

    IT was a legitimate wish to harm people he doesnt like.

    If he could have killed them and gotten away with it, he would have.
     
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    Jeeze dude, All I asked was does he have a book he’s trying to sell? Apparently he does:roflol:
    But why so defensive about this? Personally, after all the lies about the former potus proven false, I’ll wait before I pass judgement on this.
     
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    I am defending the idea in the context of a brainstorming session, absolutely. I have made that more than abundantly clear, and I invite you to retort to the specifics I have provided in regards to that context.
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    Vacuous claims are not a merit worthy counter argument.
     
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    ANY DEMOCRATS OK WITH THIS
    Democrat governance in 23 states allowing 576 riots that took the lives of Americans and destroyed billion's in American businesses
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Lazy retorts devoid of substance are not a merit worthy counter argument
     

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