Are Repubs okay with this?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, May 21, 2022.

  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Of course I don't like the idea of shooting people who are peacefully PROTESTING. I would have thought you understood that based on my posts.
     
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    Funny, I was always taught the only "Stupid questions" were the ones not asked :) But we all know the DNC has taught their base to never ask WHY ;)
     
  3. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Hahahaha...no one is saying brainstorming shouldn't happen. You're basically arguing against a stance no one has. It's that idea he floated during the brainstorming that people are calling out. My lord...smfh
     
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    If you are blocking cars while protesting when you should be working and contributing to society then he’ll yea I support this!
    Don’t worry. If someone gets shot to death well just use the excuse “it was insurrection and our democracy was at stake “
    Look at the can of worms you lefties open
    If it was ok to shoot ashli then it’s open season on any protestors attempting to get into a secured building
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Truths hurt sometimes :(
     
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    Touche!
     
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  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's called brainstorming.

    Am I OK with a President facilitating a brainstorming session with experts in order to solicit their feedback and ultimately make decisions based on that feedback? Absolutely.

    Hyperbole much?

    There is not one thing wrong with brainstorming in an attempt to challenge conventional orthodoxy. The minute that you start criticizing brainstorming ideas you are destroying the benefit of brainstorming. To sit here and gnash your teeth over one of undoubtedly many brainstorming ideas, that probably lasted for 10 seconds in the session, is downright silly. Some guy is reporting it as if it is meaningful for the sole purpose of selling books knowing full well there are countless people like yourself just dying to grasp any opportunity to go over the cliff again with nonsensical hyperbole.

    Do you not have better things to do with your time?
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have often linked to the video of Noam Chomsky describing, in detail, all the crimes of US Presidents going back pretty far.

    Thing is, whether they are, or aren't, is debatable and no doubt deserves discussion and debate, but it's really a separate subject and your comment therefore is a deflection. Your basic idea is similar to the 'let anyone who is without sin cast first stone', argument. The reason that argument, though perfect in the Biblical circumstance which gave rise to it, is hardly appropriate here, because if that were a valid argument, then we shouldn't criticize any president for anything, given that no doubt other presidents have their own transgressions. Also, given this, it hardly rises to any level one could characterize as hypocritical

    In short, it's a 'whataboutism'. Now, some whataboutisms are appropriate, but yours, no.

    Why? Because the issue isn't transgression, it's degree of ignorance in Trump on a level hitherto unseen in history.

    See? On this point, there is no 'whatabout', this president is no peer of any president in modern history.
     
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Good to know, but, if you defend him, given that I respond to many posts, and can't keep track of who is, and isn't, a Trump supporter on the right, good idea to preface your comments thusly. When someone defends Trump, it's not unreasonable for me to assume that person is a Trump supporter. If I defend a Republican on some unfair charge, I will always make clear where my allegiances lie, so no one gets the wrong idea about me.
     
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  10. FAW

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    How he wanted protestors in DC handled? It was a brainstorming session. Stop pretending like this was some sort of directive.

    Its not an analogy at all. It is a situation in which such a concept would have been preferable to what occurred. This is not the first time that a less than lethal shot has ever been mentioned. Those on the left are behaving as if such a concept is the most barbaric thing they have ever heard, but a less than lethal shot has merit in a lot of different situations, with Ashley Babbit being one of them.

    I am not saying that the notion is ultimately a good or bad idea, but in the context of a brainstorming session, it is not the craziest concept in the world. Of course a brainstorming session is conducted in a safe environment.

    Now holding a brainstorming session in safety is out of bounds too? LOL. YEESH. You people just never stop with your nonsense do you?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .....and you know this how exactly?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thats what this entire concept is. A brainstorming session. He reportedly proposed a less than lethal concept in the midst of a brainstorming session. I have made that abundantly clear.

    How you are now trying to say I am not addressing the specific idea thrown out in that brainstorming session does not make any sense.
     
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    Do you think his idea of shooting protesters is a good idea? Yes or no?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...and who has suggested shooting peaceful protestors, or is this just nonsensical speculation?
     
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    because he has shown his desire to use violence many times against American citizens.

    Just look at what happened so he could take a picture in front of a church.
     
  16. Dayton3

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    You have only speculation , no proof that Donald Trump could've lessened the impact of the epidemic so dramatically.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One would need a great deal more context would they not?

    I can certainly envision a scenario where shooting someone in the legs would be preferable to shooting them dead. The Ashley Babbit scenario would fit that bill. The police shooting in Grand Rapids Michigan a few weeks back where the guy was wrestling for the cops tazer, would be another such example.
     
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    You ignore the obvious. President Trump DID NOT ASK about using the military to murder citizens. He specifically asked about shooting them in the legs which is not an inherently lethal action.
     
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    In other words, NO, you do not have a basis for actually knowing this. You are just speculating wildly.
     
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    'Shoot them in the legs' is a pretty unrealistic thing for anyone to say in any circumstance. Not only is it difficult to shoot at someone and hit them in the legs unless they're being immobilized at close range which tends to negate the need to shoot them at all, its also doesnt substantially increase the liklihood they will survive. Hydrostatic shock from a bullet can burst an artery which kills just as quickly as hitting a vital organ. When people say 'shoot them in the legs', they are basically saying to me 'everything I know about guns I learned from watching action movies.' Its a demonstration of ignorance imo.
     
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    It's a yes or no answer
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See above.

    Context matters. This reality is not negated because you added "yes or no" to the end of your question as if you believe you are a defense lawyer questioning a witness and not allowing them to expand upon their answer.
     
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  23. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently you are unable to discern the difference between a President ordering the military to wantonly shoot at protestors, a violation of the constitution and an order which most certainly would be illegal and not followed, and the general principle of a Capitol Police Officer who is required to defend members of Congress, even by lethal force if necessary against criminal trespassers.

    Your inability to discern the difference between the two is telling.
     
  24. ECA

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    It doesn’t in this case because Trump didn’t qualify his idea. Therefore his idea was in general. So the question posed to you has a yes or no answer. But whatever….keep dodging
     
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    Focus here: "For one thing he was expecting to be fired..." From your OP
     

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