Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sir.... do you find the theory that I put forward over here offensive?


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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I could be wrong... I often am......

    but I believe that Seventh Day Adventists can take the place of metaphorical "fathers" and Evangelical Christians can take the role of "children" in a modern fulfillment of another John the Baptist type of drama............

    ... "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. " (Malachi 4: 5, 6)


    I believe that Seventh Day Adventists.... .all nineteen million of them...... can be compared with the Messianic Jewish community of the first and second centuries.......
    ... because the First Church was largely JEWISH!!!


    SID ROTH....

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is a way to get Christians thinking about the Middle East differently......

    and more importantly........

    this idea could inspire Christians to pray differently!


    Are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's grandchildren: Palestinians?????



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai



     
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  4. a better world

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    Before David's conquest of Jerusalem from the Jebusites, the land was occupied by Canaanites, called Philistines by various authors in antiquity.

    There have been various cultures in 'Philistina', the land currently being fought over in the ME conflict.

    Arabs - recently converted to Islam - conquered Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century AD. Hence Palestine was governed by the rapidly expanding Islamic empire centred on Arabia.

    Yes; the 'Palestinians' (mosly Muslims) living in the land at the time of the UN's partition of the British Palestine Mandate (in 1947) wanted to reclaim their land as it existed pre-partition.

    But they kept losing wars against the newly created Israeli state. Now they have agreed to abide by UN res. 242....

    Not so simple, as explained above. The dominant building on Jerusalem's skyline is still the 'Dome of the Rock', built soon after the Koranic Revelation, and a Holy Site in Islam.

    Correct, but the sovereign nation of ancient Israel existed for a mere 200 years, before it was forever swallowed up by a succession of world empires....until the last great world Empire, "Christian" Britain, saw to Israel's recreation (see the Balfour Declaration).

    [QUOTE}Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 BCE, these first ancient Jews were overrun and its First Jewish Temple (on today's Temple Mount!) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews, who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared Sixty Five years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the "ancient Arab Palestinians" is preposterous!

    Then in 70 CE (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects, yet thousands and thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.[/QUOTE]

    Your outline of the history is correct, but your conclusions are wrong; Jews were never again sovereign in the land of ancient Israel, until 1947 when they forced their sovereingty onto most of the Palestine Mandate, as noted above.



    No, Islam conquered it from the (Christian) Byzantine empire, not from "the Jews".


    Your conclusion is misleading; the ancient Hebrew tribes were sovereign in the land for only 200 years, whereas the land has been part of various Islamic empires for 1300 years.
     
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    1. Palestine is a member nation of the UN and is recognized as a nation by 139 nations.

    2. We don't draw national boundaries based on antiquity.
     
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