Are Trump rallies drawing 10X as many people as Hillaries?

It's not intolerant to be intolerant of intolerance, indeed, that is the very definition of tolerance, paradoxical as that may seem.

 

So, if I were as tolerant as you but also tolerated intolerance, I would be intolerant?

I am not buying it.

Nonsense. There are and have been very intelligent racists. Woodrow Wilson, for example.

 

It is a simple fact that there are many and significant racial differences. Not believing in those differences is the stupid position.

 

Acknowledging differences is one thing. Thinking superiority in your race exists is something entirely different.

 

Inherent differences based on genetics are quite minimal and mostly superficial. It's not enough to become some kind of nasty bigot about, especially when these differences do not favor any one group in every respect.

 

See, even you could be president. You should be very inspired.

 

So what do you suggest? I voted 3rd party for the most part in the past couple elections, what did it accomplish? Until things change so that the two parties are almost guaranteed to win every election, that is what we're stuck with.

 

My information is that inherent differences based on genetics are significant and more than sufficient to become almost any kind of nasty bigot.

 

And this is why cupAsoup wasn't wrong to say that "intelligent racist" is an oxymoron.

 

What does it accomplish to vote for a candidate you don't want? But yes, I know this is a broken system.

 

Because I am better informed than you are?

Fifty some odd years ago an "achievement gap" between Black and White students was measured. It was discovered that 85% of White 12th graders scored better in math and reading than the average Black student. The average 7th grade White student scored as well as the average 12th grade Black student.

Currently the gap is that 80% of White students score better than Black students.

For fifty years the educational establishment as labored mightily and spent much money of closing that gap, and it hasn't happened.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...between-white-and-black-students-still-gaping

Why shouldn't I believe that the gap is caused by racial differences than pedagogical methods?

Why shouldn't I believe that those who assert equality between the races aren't just holding onto an a priori belief which is unsupported by any data?

 

It does make you wonder what kind of fool would listen to a fraud like trump babble like a 3rd grader and think he's fit for anything but carnival barking.

 

Oh, here we go. The old "achievement gap" canard. It's not due to genetics, genius.

 

How is the achievement gap a canard?

What is it due to, iyo?

If you know, then you should write the Dept. of Ed. They would be quite interested.

 

You'd be surprised at how culture, personal expectations and other factors can impact people's work performance. Even just being of a poorer economic status can have an impact.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States

 

Or perhaps you are confusing cause and effect.

 

Perhaps you are speaking out of your rear end.

 

No, I m just making observations.

It is you who are having difficulty responding to them and think that using crude language is a sign of intelligence.

It isn't.

I grew up in a middle class town which had a large middle class Black population and also a large Jewish population. You couldn't tell when you were in the Black part of town by looking at the houses or the conditions of the streets. The middle schools and the only high school were integrated.

But the classes were tracked with high performing students being in the same classrooms and the low performing students being in other classrooms. I was in the highest track and nearly all of my classmates were Jewish. There was a single Black student in my classes (except for gym) all the way through high school.

All the students were of similar socioeconomic status, the schools were integrated and the smartest kids were Jewish, the next smartest were white non-Jewish, and the lowest were Black.

So maybe I am raising an interesting consideration.

 

It's 2 parties, with 1 agenda. To protect themselves and their corporate masters.
Just look at yesterday. 7 yrs the R's railed obamacare and how they will rid the country of it.
7 yrs to put a plan in place, the plan, same as obamacare, but shift the cost of paying from the top 5% with tax breaks and make the elderly and poor pay more instead.

2 parties, 1 agenda.

 

It's foolish to argue with racists. They are superior to everyone, afterall.

 

Here is a fun anecdote for you, then. I went to Germany to study for a semester. I was there with numerous students from many different countries, including fellow Americans. We took a placement test to determine which level of language course we would attend. I outdid most of my fellow Americans and ended up with the Poles, Czechs, Russians, etc.

Did that make me superior to those other Americans? Of course not. We were all college students, yet I had a better handle on the language. I would put it down to my enthusiasm for foreign language studies. It's one of the subjects I have always pursued with real interest and dedication, and I suppose I have a certain talent for it. Yet I would not want to belittle the interest and talents of those other American students. Nor was I entirely unique at my level among the Americans, but damn near.

Also, I recall hearing a radio program segment about this very topic of the achievement gap among blacks. I heard from the guest on the show that in testing, the gap disappeared when the test was given in a certain way. It had to do with what the students were told beforehand, which affected how they felt about it, how they viewed it, how they felt about themselves in the situation. It seems that blacks are somewhat under a unique social pressure that can and will affect how they perform.

Finally, have you looked into such performance statistics outside of the US? That would help to understand the situation in context. Do blacks perform worse universally around the world?

 

Yes, I would say you were superior to the other students in your German language skills, at least.

Again, don't tell me. Tell the Dept. of Ed. They would be delighted to have solved a problem that has bedeviled the public schools for five decades, now.

I have not seen such data.

 

Well, I confound you every time, its true.

But it is not so much a question of superiority. It is just having the truth on our side. We don't have to twist the facts to conform to an erroneous a priori belief.

 

Not surprising. Also compare how African immigrants and their children fare, perhaps, and maybe break down the achievement in America gap by state/region as well.

There is only so much they can do about a long-running, deep-seated cultural and social problem.

 

The data proving racial equality always seems to be somewhere else, somewhere not accessible, some experiment not tried. You would never accept such an argument about a non-politically sensitive subject. You would never credit someone who claimed that Vespas were as fast as Harley Davidsons and the data proving you false didn't account for the grade of gasoline or the elevations of the speed trials.

Why do you swallow such guff when it comes to racial disparities? What argument convinces? Apparently the argument that racists are stupid. You don't want to appear stupid so you close your mind to any contradictory information.

Perhaps that is because it is not a social problem, but a biological one.