Are women delusional about dating???

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  1. Renee

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    That is what is so sad the assumption that you believe that all people who are overweight or addicted to food. There is also something called genetics. Growing up I was always under weight does that mean I had an aversion to food?
     
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    So you are retracting your previous comment?
     
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    Men can't change their height, so that doesn't affect attractiveness as much as obesity does. A short man who is disciplined and motivated to stay alive for his loved ones, is a more appealing package than a tall fat man who clearly isn't. Obesity is a choice .. so reflects very poorly on character. As for bald men, it's mostly people over a certain age who have issues with it. I suspect oldsters aren't aware of the link between male hair loss and testosterone ;)

    And no ... my husband is not short, bald (or even balding), or fat :p
     
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    I very clearly said that food is not addictive! Food is never the addiction .. that's just a lie fat people tell themselves, without ever stopping to consider how that looks when every living thing on earth manages to consume food without becoming addicted or obese.

    The addiction is to EATING, and that's a very different proposition. For whatever reason (usually starts in childhood, via maternal behavours around eating), the person developes higher endorphin type responses to the act of eating. They literally get 'high' from the act of preparing food (even if just opening packets), arranging it, picking it up, putting in their mouth, chewing it, swallowing it, etc. It becomes a bio-feedback ritual. The food itself could be anything, it's the eating which matters.

    Nope, no genetics. There is literally no 'fat gene'. There are tall, short, light boned, heavy boned, wide, narrow bodies etc .. but all of them exist in the absence of excess body fat. If you're skinny you're either a POW, or exercise more than you eat. That's where the buck stops.
     
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    Two different points!
     
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    I do workshops in prejudice awareness and one of the prejudices we talk about is looks and the fact that you see people being overweight as always a choice and how it reflects on their character is an example of prejudice.. There can be genetics (yes there are predispositions like height etc) becuase if the genetics, it is harder for them to lose weight. I was lucky and had two very slim parents and I could lose 5 pounds in a couple of days. there can also be deep rooted psychological damage like having been raped. But prejudiced people prejudge and define them as you did, as lacking character.

    The percentage of obesity that can be attributed to genetics varies widely, depending on the population examined, from 6% to 85%. As of 2006, more than 41 sites on the human genome have been linked to the development of obesity when a favorable environment is present.
     
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    Good for you. All we have as mammals with the best interests of survival of the pack in mind (because we MUST put that ahead of all else, obviously), the most efficient and FAIR 'judgment' is determining if an individual's state is self-inflicted or an accident of birth.

    If you were recruiting for a survival mission, would you select people with pronounced character flaws and addictions? Or would you select people who never compromised the package they were born with, and made the very best of that package? The answer is obvious. And here's the thing .. all life is a survival mission. Choose the electively flawed at your and their peril, and the peril of anyone brought into that arrangement - like children. Then again, if you happen to be immortal, or have literally no concept at all of life at a survival coalface, you may imagine you can afford the luxury of bad character. Or you may simply not care about the impact of such individuals on your own or your children's lives.

    PS: Your bolded excerpt clearly states the only thing which actually matters in the reality of expressed obesity: when a favorable environment is present.
     
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    In this situation the term "Prejudice" may be somewhat misplaced as preference comes heavily into play. I prefer an individual who is in shape for employment and enjoyment but that does not make me bigoted.
     
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    I think you misunderstood. The prejudice is just by looking at an obese person and assuming they have low character. By the way there is a difference between being prejudiced and being a bigot ..they have different meanings though they can overlap.
     
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    The issue isn't "low character" so much as being datable.
     
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    tbh your political and social opinions, impress that you and your friends are likely pre-1970s in your mindset and mannerisms. Women today, notice that and they frown upon it. Therefore they won't let men like you and your friends impact their lives for long periods of time, so using each other for sex then becomes a 2way street.


    Cheers!
     
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    Short guys aren’t date le either, but that doesn’t mean they lack character
     
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    Fat is something you do to yourself.
     
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    You simply can't equate an optional behaviour, to height. That's like saying being a junkie is a 'stature', unavoidable and unchangeable.
     
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    It's a character FLAW, in every case but Prader Willi Syndrome. And even sufferers of PWS will become emaciated if kept under POW conditions.

    In reality, most women aren't going to stop and consider why that cute guy is a junkie/fatty/gambler etc, to see if there's some premise for excusing the character flaw. Our animal instincts tell us to mate with the ones who offer the best survival prospects, and in nature that isn't the sick (and obesity, addiction etc are sicknesses). The prospect's height and other minor genetic variation are not part of that animal assessment, because they have no bearing on robustness and function.
     
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    So therefore it means they have low character..Shame on you. I guess I could look at short men and accuse them of having Napoleon complexes
     
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    We are not animals telling us to mate with the best survival prospect
     
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    I see, now fat people are junkies....prejudice!
     
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    Imagine how much better you’d do with a woman ...(tongue in cheek).
     
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    For an educator, you seem to have a very muddled thought process. In almost all cases, fat is based on life style choices, while height isn't. For seem reason you keep insisting on this illogical comparison. The proper comparison is of course fat women vs fat men. There you can give the sexes equal blame for their behavior. See? Equality!
     
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    Lol, I wouldn't be where I am today without women in some degree. Have a sister I'm a mother I had a grandmother and I had some wonderful aunts I also have some friends that are female.

    I couldn't imagine my life without them. That being said I don't think it would be fair to them to be in a relationship with me. Two of them are in relationships with men who think they hung the Moon, and no matter how much they age or how much weight they gain or lose tell their husbands they're still the most beautiful women in the world. I couldn't give a woman that, so I don't think it would be fair to get into a relationship with one. I actually felt guilt when I was trying to date women in the past.

    So that I did tell you the esteem at which I hold women.
     
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    Your prejudice is showing. No being heavy is not only based on lifestyle choices, there are genetic predispositions and often there are psychological reasons. Neither of them make the, people of low character. My point is you are drawing your conclusion strictly on looks .... there are people who will assume a short guy has a complex and attribute qualities to him that are not deserving the same way you are attributing qualities to overweight people
     
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    Why should you have to give a woman flattery that is not sincere? Do you do that with your husband? If he got fat would you tell him he still the most handsome man in the world.?
     
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    Well I don't, that's why I don't date women.

    No
    I don't think people lose their attractiveness because they put on a few pounds. There is more to attraction than just looks. Beauty exists inside and out. I view handsome as a condition. I think he looks handsome while he is wearing his black rimmed glasses, he looks charming when his hair is messed up right out of bed.
     
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    Oh my ... are you religious, perhaps? Because that's the kind of thing I would expect to hear from a Flat Earther.
     
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