Yeah , right. Lol Yep, all American women are fat and tattooed. That’s a great way to rationalize why you can’t get a date and justifies your misogyny. By the way I once saw a fat foreign woman ...
I don't think that it is that women are fat or tattooed. I think it has to do with what western people expect. The quality of life in Western countries especially in the United States is extremely high and therefore the expectations are extremely high. Whether you like to admit it or not in a relationship men need things from women just like women need things from Men. I'm sure culture plays a big role in this but I imagined biology plays a role in it as well. Men in general want to feel needed, meaning what they do is necessary and valued. A woman from a third world or second world country or even a first world country that doesn't quite have his highest standard of life as the United States, will probably show their male partner a lot more gratitude. And the reason for this is because her life will be better after marrying him assuming he is a kind loving husband who provides his family with a decent quality of life. So what can be done for Western women... No idea if the United States doesn't produce the kind of man you want and you'll have to look elsewhere too
[Q No one denies that partners have needs from each other women as well as men want to feel needed and valued. That is hardly gender specific It’s pretty pathetic if a man or a woman believes that the United States doesn’t produce the kind of partner that person wants when there are millions and millions of men and women to choose from...I think that person is a loser!
Well the different sexes wish to be needed for different things. Seems generally based on sex. As do a lot of women, so a lot of men seek companionship from elsewhere. Thanks for supporting my point. I've heard from many men that married women from abroad that they sought those women because women here in the states thought they were losers. In one case a man I know met a woman from China while he was there on business. They have been married for 27 years.
When a man says that there are no acceptable women in America and they’re all disgusting and he has to look for a woman from another country, there is something wrong with that man. I’m glad your friend is been married for 27 years, but that hardly makes a study! You heard from “many” men that married women from abroad? Maybe if you said a few, I would believe you.
I didn't say there was a man that says there is no acceptable women in America, this is about the man not being acceptable to the woman. and yes according to Americans there's something wrong with him so he goes elsewhere I don't see what the problem is. where did I say it was a study? so don't believe me.
Dating in the traditional sense of getting to know someone to see if they are a proper long term partner to have children with is not really of the greater concern of contemporary youth. We live in an age and time where it is almost disencouraged to date in this fashion as it is seen as something that "hampers your career development" and "stops you from experiencing yourself". "Dating" of today is about short term, "casual" partnerhood with no responsibilities or commitments. With marriage no longer being the norm and where extramartial sex being expected rather than shunned, the "dating market" is a highly inflated one where the "partner supply" is unreasonably high (since it is no longer norm to stay 'til death with only one partner and since loose norms and new technology allow people to find sexual partners on the other side of the country), women can also afford to be unreasonably picky (men who are "10's" are fine with women who are "4's" if it is "just for the night") - In a sense, 20% of men have "monopoly" on 80% of the women. It is also important to add that asking a woman out is - not exclusively, but to a large extent - considered "creepy" - talking to a girl at a museum, the mall or in the line at the grocery store is seen as a "no no", mostly by men (I honestly don't know how women feel about this, but I would think they will only find it creepy if the man in question is being creepy) which means the only place perceived as an "acceptable" one to "hit on" a woman at is the nightclub. And the oroblem with nightclubs is that; (1) competition is extremely high, (2) no one is there to meet the love of their life and (3) women at nightclub are used to being hit on and even groped by creeps and drunktards which means they are more likely to be on full defense mode and reject a guy even if he is cute and really sweet. I think it is also important to add that many of the young people of today are children of divorce, meaning they come from households where they never saw true love and thus carry a bagage containing a bad view of marriage and no other experience of love than that of the one they saw in 'Disney' growing up. Lastly, it is important to add that this is not really a gendered issue - both women and men are equally deluded when it comes to dating since the culture they have grown up in does not even acknowledge the concept of dating.
What you fail to understand is that no one is saying an obese person is a bad person or less of a human. They might indeed be the most wonderful, funny, intelligent and trustworthy friend you can find. However, obesity is clearly a sign of a lack of character (bad impulse control, low self respect, poor sense of responsibility and/or other toxic characteristics of that sort). It is not that only the sight of an obese individual makes us want to kill them. Character is a broad and multifaceted term; 110 strengths can come with 52 weaknesses. Obesity is an obvious sign of,at least, one weak character trait.
Some of this could have been written in the 1950s. First of all why do boys have to ask girls out? Why do we encourage boys to take the risks and girls to be passive and wait? As far as Divorce, many young people of yesterday lived in homes where there was no love and where there was abuse. Was that better?
What about being underweight? I was very underweight but I don’t think people saw me is lacking character. I had a very hard time gaining weight
As a man who suffered from low self-esteem for all of his teens and large parts of his early 20's, I can tell you that there are plenty of men who would love a woman to make the first move. As I grew out of my discomfort, I realised that women are not at all as passive as they may be percieved as. Most of the time, it is actually the woman who makes the first move only that it is a more subtle one than a straight forward question. As a woman, have you ever been the risk taker in this regard? If yes, how did you go about doing it and how did the man in question react? If no, then why? No. Did I say so?
Men were encouraged to take risks and a risk was asking a woman out and possibly being rejected. Risk-taking is very important and women were encouraged to be passive. I once wrote an article about etiquette where men do and women wait. It’s interesting that you say women make the first move but it’s more subtle. That’s because we are trained that way. Why the heck do we have to be settled? Is it because the man is supposed to take the lead? Yes I would take the risk and ask a guy out but it would have to be on a pretense like I have tickets to a concert and it would only be with a guy who I knew liked me.Hopefully today is different and women don’t have to pretend to be shrinking violet’s. As far as my reaction To your comment that kids don’t have loving families and that is the problem today I asked about all those families who stayed together when there was no love but no options. I would rather a kid live in a single parent home then an abusive two parent home.You singled out single parents and you didn’t include un loving homes.As I always say you learn about a person by the side of the argument s/he defends
I grew up years ago when being skinny was not fashionable. I ate and ate and ate and couldn’t gain a pound. The same way my friend with diet and diet and couldn’t lose much weight. Both are cases genetics was a factor. I think my problem is that you are stereotyping heavy people as lacking character. It is nothing but prejudice. You are pre judging without knowing anything about a person. But I can understand because I feel the same way about Trump supporters i stereotyped them as lacking character
Indeed. But, I am not even sure what you mean by girls being "encouraged to be passive". What kind of parent(s) would tell their daughter(s) to hide in the corner and be passive? What kind of parent would tell their child not to take risks in life? Furthermore, there is no man, no matter how macho he is, that would have anything against being asked out by a girl. However, this does not happen because - I guess - women like to be asked out because they expect a good partner to show them that they are valued and needed. Ask yourself and your female peers. As a man, I have no idea. Nuh ah! Don't you try to slalom out of the question; I asked if you ever did ask a man out, not if you hypothetically would. Oh, so you would only ask a man out if you knew he would accept it? That is not called risk taking, it is called cowardice. The risk men take when they ask a girl out is that they do not know if she likes them, it is a risk of getting rejected. I hate to break it to you but, nothing has changed. Both are equally toxic. I would rather have every child live in a loving, two parents household. That is the only existing ideal to me, there are no middle ways. I did not single out single parents as they are part of the exact same problem as I was highlighting - Lack of love. A child who grows up with only one parent does not know what a father-mother relationship looks like. You cannot possibly argue against the idea that the ideal environment for a child to grow up in is one where they have both parents present and where both parents are equally engaged with the child and where the two parents are not shy to express their love for each other infront of their child.
I am the same. Well, there is a difference between being overweight and obese and between being skinny and anorexic; allowing it to tip over to either extreme is a manifestation of a lack in the character of the person in question. I do not see why this would be an "offensive" or "controversial" opinion since we all have weaknesses. Exactly. We are individuals and as individuals, we have our individual preferences and ideas about what constitutes a proper character. Again, I doubt you would think a Trump supporter has an entriely faulty character, the one fault you see in their character is their support for Trump, no? In the same way, obesity is the sign of, at least, one fault in the given person's character. However, this does not mean that the obese person in question has no good character traits. I once had a collegue who was obese (he was the kind of person who would joke about his own weight and acknowledged that he had let himself go) and he was a fantastic team player and a hilarious person to be around.Despite having these positive characteristics, his weight was an obvious sign of some of his poorer ones.
When you stereotype person as a person of poor character it is unfair. I am sure that Trump supporters might have a few good character traits But if I generalized and said they are a poor character I am sure you would think that’s unfair even though they might have some good traits.
No, it isn't. A murderer, a paedophile and a rapist are obviously people of - to say the least -poor character. It is not "unfair" to portray them as such because that is what they are. When you say that an obese person has a poor character you are not stereotyping their entire persona, but only are you highlighting the actual weaknesses they obviously have. Why would I think it would be "unfair" for you to to claim that supporting Trump is a sign of poor character? Anyways, this is not the topic of the thread and I think it is a matter that deserves a thread of its own.
No ****! The sarcasm went right over your head. Women are women were not chicks it is just a disrespectful term for a woman
Again you make my point by lumping a fat person with murderers pedophiles and rapists. You know nothing about a fat person but yet you want to assume they have poor character because they are overweight
No, I am not "lumping" any groups together. What I am saying is that a person who is fat might have loads of positive traits, but that their fatness is an obvious sign of their negative traits. No one is perfect.
But yet you describe fat people collectively as having poor character. You don’t even realize that you’re stereotyping them. That’s called prejudice.
I’m too lazy to go back but the reason this started was because someone said that fat people have poor character and the fact that you keep supporting that is the same.As I always say, you learn more about a person by the argument s/he defends
