Are you a white nationalist?

Do you want to build an ethnostate where only white people can be full citizens?

This is a yes/no question.

 

I would prefer a state where only legal citizens can be full citizens.

 

Do they really exist?

 

No, if so I would move to Idaho. I'm an American Nationalist, America for Americans, NOT anchor babies, DACA or illegals.

 

Hell no. I just don't want to be used. I'm not your momma or daddy.

 

They do. Richard Spencer for example. Or David Duke.

"Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence." — Richard Spencer, quoted in Vice, October 2013

On this forum, there were a few in the past, although I think that now it's below fringe level. In fact the point of this poll was to know if there were any here at all.

 

Can we stop all the bull and just call White Nationalism Naziism? If there is any actual difference I defy you to point it out

 

I think we can, so long as self proclaimed 'nationalists' arent automatically lumped in with the WNs. Civic nationalism is nothing like ethnic nationalism.

 

That seem reasonable at first, but you have to be careful you are not defining your nationalism on the basis of race, and some countries have historically done that. Russia under Putin is practicing a type of Slavic Nationalism now. Are they then NazIs? Given that the race is not Aryan what is the difference?

 

What a shame. We need patriots not nationalists.

 

Not really. White nationalists can also be NOT socialist. But usually if you aren't a socialist, then you probably wont have the tribalism or identitarian or group think required for being a racist.

 

Those are actually the same thing. Putting ones country's priorities first is both patriotic and nationalistic. "Patriotic" is more of an adjective for American nationalism.

 

Nope they are VERY different. The Nazis were nationalistic.. Zionism is nationalistic.

 

And? Nationalism wasn't the reason for the Nazi's genocide, just as Patriotism wasn't responsible for native americans "genocide". Just because a socialist group like the Nazis killed 6 million Jews doesn't mean the nationalism was their reason. Socialism is the cause because there was a jealousy of the rich jews and wanting to take the money from the rich and give it to the poor germans. Just like socialism was the cause of 21 million Russians being killed "for the people". Or the 100 million Chinamen dying in socialist China. Or the thousands of people dying in Venezuela under socialism. There always has to be a boogie man in socialism, in Nazi German, it was the rich Jews. In Russia, it was the rich farmers. In China it was the rich. In Venezuela it was the rich oil men. Same with Cuba and Cambodia.

 

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He hated Communists and tried to kill all of them and he never nationalized any companies.

Look at a list of 20th century nationalists.

• Adolf Hitler (Germany).
• Plaek Pibulsonggram (Thailand).
• Chiang Kai-shek (China).
• Sun Yat-sen (China).
• Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkey).

• Fulgencio Batista (Cuba)
• Plaek Pibulsonggram (Thailand)
• Sun Yat-sen (China)
• Chiang Kai-shek (China)
• Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Iran)
• Habib Bourguiba (Tunisia)
• Sukarno (Indonesia)
• Suharto (Indonesia)
• Benito Mussolini (Italy)
• Francisco Franco (Spain)

 

He was. Just cause you hate communism doesn't mean you aren't socialist, socialist don't have to be communists. If nationalizing businesses is the only way to claim someone is socialist, then none of the Scandinavian countries today are socialist. But I guess you don't count Volkswagen as nationalized company. Or just taking away companies from one person and giving it to your friends who support your party isn't nationalization of the company, then you are just sparsing semantics.

 

I am sorry that you don't know. That's what we were taught as children.. Its just NOT true.

The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist. The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class focused socialism.
Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist? - ThoughtCo
www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367

Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course.

 

He hated communism, not socialism. How is a guy who hates socialism decides to name his party "socialist"? Why would he say in statement after statement, Hitler could not be clearer about his socialist commitments. He said, for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” Hitler was a socialist for a certain race of people, just as Richard Spencer also advocates socialism only for Whites. But, I guess if you want to be a socialist in todays' era, you've got to try and distance yourself from the guy most vilified by the education system while you advocate for the tenants of the most deadliest form of government in the 1900's that kill 10x more people than Hitler gassed. But hey, if you are just saying "naming something doesn't make it that thing", then you would have to agree that "Antifa" isn't really "anti-fascist" since they certainly act more fascist than those they claim to be against. But since you put up an obvious left wing article, heres the counter article.
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

 

Antifa are idiots.. but we are talking about Hitler.

1. Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history - ABC ...
   https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302
   Aug 20, 2018 · Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923.
   
   
2. Was Hitler a Democratic Socialist? - Quora
   https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitler-a-Democratic-Socialist
   Aug 21, 2017 · "Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named 'National Socialist.' But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently courted by Hitler...
   

 

Nice opinion based articles. His own words, AND policies are exactly what leftist want today. Free abortions, free education, fully mandated work programs instituted by government. Free healthcare. Etc. Just because he was racist, doesn't make it go from left wing to right wing cause he is white.

 

Uhmmn.....not really, Not all the Jews killed were rich and many of the other "untermenschen" who actually added up to be more than the Jews who were killed, such as gays, the handicapped and the mentally challenged, were poor. It is also VERY disputable to say Naziism was socialist just because it said it was unless you are saying that the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a real Democracy as they firmly state themselves to be.

The Nazis had plenty of rich people who they left strictly alone. When Hitler was first elected the businessmen were divided as to whether to support him or not but the famous dictum of "we can handle this Hitler fellow," saved him. One of the Nazis first decrees was to dissolve all businesses capitalized at less than the German equivalent of $25,000, quite a handsome sum in those days, Naziism was far from classist.

 

Mandated work programs? You mean free Jewish labor for German capitalists?

You think Australia is Nazi? They have a wonderful healthcare program.. How about Israel or Austria?

 

I am a nationalist and race is of no importance to me.

 

They are based on Hitler's words. Nazism was another form of Fascism.

Mussolini and Hitler Were Fascists - Fact or Myth?
factmyth.com/factoids/mussolini-and-hitler-were-fascists
Claim: Despite pulling their ideology from a range of political theories, Mussolini and Hitler are best labeled Authoritarian Nationalist Fascists, or (keeping in mind there is more than one type of Fascist) ju…

 

Then you aren't a nationalist. Nationalism is nearly always racist.