I'm trying to show the absurdity of the "it's inside the woman, it's connected to the woman" position. I'm just using a different situation. But if pro-choicers are correct, their logic should apply to that situation too. If that same logic can't apply to a different situation, that logic becomes suspect.
Let me try to rehash the conversation for you: It seems what you are arguing is EXACTLY the locality argument. You're saying that whether it's inside the woman matters, regardless of the gestational age or level of development. (locality = location, in case you had any trouble understanding) Now to get back to the original question in the opening post: You are basically answering "no". (if I am understanding you correctly) This entire thread was really to try to force pro-choicers who were mostly relying all on the gestational development argument to come out and admit they do not really feel comfortable with it. After that, they really only have 2 choices: Modify their position, or rely on the locality argument, which I can then try to tackle in another thread.
1) You cannot "Abort" outside the womb. 2) Almost no abortion take place after 6-8 months gestation. 3) Those few that do are generally to save the mother who if dead, would kill the fetus regardless. 4) Emotional argument and appeal to "A baby" is the only direction the pro-life movement can take. 5) Such tactics rely on ignorance of established realities. 6) For these reasons and others this is a failed thread.
Of course I'm against it. That isn't an abortion. That is murder. I don't "like" abortion and I think it is an awful thing to do. However, not our decision to make for somebody else. The people who are going out having abortions are probably not fit to be parents anyways.
You""This entire thread was really to try to force pro-choicers who were mostly relying all on the gestational development argument to come out and admit they do not really feel comfortable with it.""" Well, it didn't work, did it ..how disappointing for you. Now , what IS the "gestational development argument" ? How many times do you have to be told it isn't abortion if it's born ? Why would Pro-Choicers have to "admit" anything. We believe in women's right to choose.... ....that has nothing to do with gestational development argument or weird scenarios of the "uterus obssessed""......
Can't apply logic to a situation that has no logic and can't happen... Can you explain what your ridiculous scenarios have to do with women's right to their own body........
Then why can a person be held for double murder if they kill a pregnant woman? And this is a August 4th 2017 story http://www.news-leader.com/story/ne...nt-woman-now-charged-double-murder/541697001/ Springfield man accused of shooting pregnant woman now charged with double murder Prosecutors have upgraded charges against a 21-year-old man who is accused of shooting and killing a woman and her unborn child.
I do not see the relationship of the transgender issue to the abortion issue. I too have a problem with how the conflicts of the TG issue with basic biology. There is a difference between wanting to be a woman in one's mind and actually being a woman.
No need. You seek the appearance of caring about human life. If you really cared, you would be taking action. If you will excuse me, I have to start a thread about how much I care about the homeless by suggesting they move in with you!
First: The fetus was inside the womb so doesn't relate to the topic. Second: Pregnancy is a woman's choice. NO one else's. The shooter, like Anti-Choicers, took away her right of choice. Third: IF the fetus was viable (look it up!) then it has PROTECTION. The court obviously decided to charge him with two murders since the fetus was a wanted part of the woman....and viable...and protected as it is protected from elective abortion after 23 weeks.. That does NOT make it a person with rights from conception. Fourth: Neither you nor I know every law regarding this issue in every state, they vary..
So you agree it's murder if it takes place outside of a womb? Just answer this simple question: Is there a point during gestational development where it would be murder if killed outside the womb but the woman still has the right to kill if it takes place inside the womb?
Of course killing a baby is Murder...that is the law and totally agreed upon by every civilized human being. There is no point during gestation that fetal death is murder, and trying to play this game with me is absolutely pointless. Gestation does not occur outside the womb.....that is impossible. If by chance we develop a machine to incubate (gestate) humans then pulling the plug would probably be considered murder.
Lots of irresponsible people have kids. There are a lot of bad parents and bad parenting going on out there. OBVIOUSLY.
...and you're off topic.... If you want to talk about how no one, even bad parents, should never abort then start another goofy thread....
FoxHastings, you said in another thread that you were ok with killing outside the womb (if the mother so chooses)
Yes, 23 weeks is the cut off.....whether it's inside the woman (legal) or lying around on the table (legal)...23 weeks is the cut off no matter where the fetus is..... That statement does NOT say in anyway that I'm OK with killing outside the womb...it says when the cut off limit is..... but I am in the following circumstances: ↑ """"Actually yes if the fetus came out alive at 22 weeks the woman can kill it..""" Because , it's not viable yet...
