Argentina abortion: Senate approves legalisation in historic decision

NO, there is no irony , no double standard...the 11 year old is BORN and the fetus isn't...but you have NEVER been able to figure out that HUGE difference that the rest of the world understands...you are the only one who doesn't...



BTW, I NEVER said ""Yet then you say that the fetus is not worthy of more consideration because it is too young.""


So that makes you what? Uh, less than honest ?? OF COURSE IT DOES

 

Since it is a completely private matter and one that concerns only the life of the woman, there should be no legislated time limit. I agree.

When the struggling and ambitious young female is visiting the abortion clinic to terminate her pregnancy she is sorting out her life in a timely fashion. In fact, carrying the pregnancy to terms and giving birth in such a situation would be stupid and incapable as she would not only destroy her own life and happiness, but also that of the unwanted babty who now has to grow up poor and be raised by a mother who does not even want them.

Having an abortion when you do not want children is taking responsibility.

 

BTW, rape is so NOT TRIVIAL that a woman being raped has every right to KILL her attacker....Thankfully most of the world and laws do NOT trivialize rape...

 

I never said it was.
Getting an abortion will not un-do the rape.
You seem to be conflating rape with pregnancy that resulted from rape.
The "trivial" comment just referred to continuing to carry that pregnancy a little while longer.

This has nothing to do with the woman's or the fetus's health, it all has to do with how that fetus happened to have been conceived.
That's why, in one sense, it is trivial. (relatively speaking of course, in comparison to your proposed solution; the reason you give for killing a baby)

Yes, sure, kill the attacker, if you must.
But the child is not guilty for the sins of its parents.
The fetus is not the one who chose to rape her, anymore than she herself chose to be raped.

Btw, I see that you're a proponent of the death penalty, which many pro-choicers are not, I'll point out.

 

By the way, FoxHastings, I thought what you say is that it is her body. So if she's not the one choosing an abortion, how can you force an abortion on her?

 

YES, YOU said AS TRIVIAL AS RAPE:

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Anyone who supports termination of a 20-24 week old fetus for reasons as trivial as rape, is NOT a moderate. They are an extremist.
(In my opinion)""""""

Show EXACTLY WHERE I gave any reason for killing a baby ….YOU CANNOT BECAUSE LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS YOU CLAIM I SAID THAT IS NOT TRUE.

YES, the fetus IS attacking and harming the pregnant girl.

NO one said any child was guilty for the sins of the parents.....

Totally irrelevant and, as usual, no point.

 

Were you attacking your mother, when you were inside that womb?

 

She's a child....she doesn't get to choose to drive a car or have her broken arm fixed or not or eat her vegetables....her guardians decide what is best....


Any normal person knows an 11 year old has no concept of what pregnancy entails and has no ability to choose.

 

In this case her guardians were the government.

It appears that her parents were helping to conceal the pregnancy (to hide the crime), so they should have no say here.

 

YES.


NOW show PROOF(that thing you avoid like crazy) to prove pregnancy does not harm women....been waiting YEARS for that

 

Is this another segue to try to bury the FACT that you claimed rape was trivial ???

 

Then, could one also say (according to your ridiculous logic) that the girl attacked her mother, and so she deserves to have to deal with a pregnancy?
(Now be "attacked" the same way she attacked)

 

I never said rape was trivial, I said the reason of having been raped was a trivial one.

 

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Anyone who supports termination of a 20-24 week old fetus for reasons as trivial as rape, is NOT a moderate. They are an extremist.
(In my opinion)""""""

 

What a bunch of garbled nonsense....a desperation move

 

But you think the fetus doesn't have any rights because it attacked. Why wouldn't the same apply to the girl?

 

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NO, AGAIN, you are claiming I said something that I NEVER said.
Why do you continue to do that?

It looks like you have NO points or facts to back up whatever it is you're arguing and in DESPERATION make things up !!

For the ten thousandth time, the fetus has no rights because it hasn't been born.












Is this another segue to try to bury the FACT that you claimed rape was trivial ???

 

LOL, you actually think sex ed prevents 'unwanted' pregnancies?

I guess you think all those women having abortions don't know how babies are made.

 

You said the woman has a right to kill the fetus because it attacked her.
Is that basically the meaning of what you said, yes or no?

Now how is that different from what I just said?

 

Let's be clear here, some of these folk actually think it's NOT her body - at least in the sense that they claim she does not have full decision making powers over what happens to her body. They insist that she doesn't choose to engage in procreation. I'm not sure who they think IS choosing it for her ... since they say this about women engaging in consensual procreation. The evidence of their refusal to allow her full bodily ownership, is in their insistence that the resulting pregnancy was 'unwanted' or 'unexpected'.

It's a very interesting new form of misogyny, and well worth looking into.

 

I think their argument is more "she should not be responsible for her actions".

Basically, all the good parts of responsibility without any of the bad parts of responsibility.

Her animal instincts are too strong to easily overcome, and yet... How dare anyone treat her like an animal who can't make its own decisions.

It is a very wishful stance, if not a little mentally incongruous...

 

YOU: """kazenatsu said: ↑
But you think the fetus doesn't have any rights because it attacked"""



NO, the fetus has no rights because it's a FETUS and hasn't been born!



And I have NEVER said anything different.

I NEVER said a fetus has no rights because it's attacking the woman...NEVER...


I NEVER said "" the fetus doesn't have any rights because it attacked""


You are "wrong" ….

A woman has a right to kill anything that's harming her....just like everyone else.

 

WHO said, "" she doesn't choose to engage in procreation"" ?

 

So YOU want to treat women like animals....I knew that because you want to control their reproduction like they were animals....very telling...

 

I think we're getting off topic. Let's try to get back.