Arizona House approves ban on transgender female athletes

Thank the good Lord that my state knows the physical difference between biological males and females.

Arizona House approves ban on transgender female athletes

ANDREW OXFORD | ARIZONA REPUBLIC | 4 hours ago

The Arizona House of Representatives passed a ban on transgender students participating in girls’ sports, a measure its sponsor argued is common sense but which opponents contended would allow for discrimination against young athletes.

HB 2706 would require interscholastic and intramural leagues to designate sports as co-educational, male or female based on what the law terms "biological sex." Teams or sports designated as "female" would be closed "to students of the male sex."

The law would apply at both public and private schools, including community colleges and universities.


If disputed, an athlete could establish their sex through a genetic test.

Initially, Barto's bill called for students to meet three different requirements. They would have needed to get a sworn doctor's statement detailing their student's genetic makeup, "internal and external reproductive anatomy" and "normal endogenously produced levels of testosterone."

Democrats decried the bill as invasive and harmful to transgender students.

In turn, Barto amended the bill, scaling it back to only require a genetic test.

Barto argued the bill sets firm rules when it comes to gender in competitive sports, particularly when there are titles and big scholarships on the line.

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This has been discussed at PF several times before, but in light of the passing of this in AZ let me once again state my position on the matter:

In am 100% (absolutely) Opposed to allowing Biologically-Born Males to compete in Female Sports.

It is UNFAIR to the Girls. Case closed. End of story.

 

Your prog friends might pull your card carrying privileges for saying something so logical and correct.

No doubt if it does pass there will be a lawsuit within 24hrs...

 

It would be very unfortunate for this to have to be a matter of more laws and more excuses that legislative discrimination is taking place. It would be much better if simple common sense took over and competitors refused to compete in events that were skewed by some people's attempts to alter physical state in order to win.

 

The way the world and the USA is today this seems highly unlikely, and sports is the least of it.

 

Sounds like a sensible law to me.

I know a lot of transgender activists try to portray it as "transphobia" to argue against letting m2f athletes compete in female sports but plain fact of the matter is that there ARE real differences that give m2f transgenders a real advantage that born females cannot attain as readily....if at all. (Such as denser bones or heighth)

 

I am against this applying to private schools. They are private and not government run, and should be allowed to do as they wish in this aspect. Now that doesn't mean that such schools get to compete is the same league or organization or whatever it is as do public schools. If they want this situation, then they need their own league (or whatever. Can you tell I don't follow sports at any level?)

It should be noted that most of the transgender community sees this problem and agrees with the problem.

I still say that we just eliminate the male/female division and set up various categories that allow for equivalency among the competitors. We'll have some that are dominated by males, others by female and others that are mixed. MtF's will be in categories that pit them against the males they are equal to, and not against the females they are not.

 

You are conflating two different things. You are ascribing a motive to the transition that is simply not there for most. Now I won't say none, for indeed there would be some, but the vast majority transition due to GD, not wanting to win at sports.

 

The partial quotation (thank you) says, "some...". What more do you want?

 

The dems are full of it, it's more invasive and harmful for men to be competing against women. And what harm is being done to the T students, feelings? What about the feelings of the women who get stomped on by men who are physically larger and stronger than them? Besides, a guy who thinks he's a girl has bigger issues than sports, he should be more concerned about the suicide rate of others like him.

Folks, we have men and we have women - it's settled science. Prove me wrong.

 

For the partial quote, since I was only addressing that part, that was all I quoted. I didn't see where what I left out had any change to context. Feel free to point out any context I skewed. I've admit to such mistakes in the past, and I'm not adverse to doing so again.

As to your wording, usually the argument, despite the word "some", is directed at transgenders as a whole. We see this quite often in the restroom arguments. If you meant differently, you have my apologies, but those before you have colored the argument quite a bit with their word use

 

Ah settled science. I remember when settle science said the sun moved around the earth, and that the sound barrier could not be broken. And isn't it settled science that global warming is man made?

 

I don't know if anyone knows about this. But there is a lawsuit in CT about this something. The Alliance Defending Freedom organization filled on the ground of sex, and title 9 or 10 discrimination against who ever oversees sports in CT. Just FYI to keep your ear to the ground about. Now as far as AZ goes, this will pass. There is a huge amount of support for it Duccy has said he would even sign it too.

 

The sun moving around the earth was eventually proven wrong. Do you have proof boys can be girls? If so, let's see it.

And global warming is not settled science, politically correct science, but not settled by any means.

 

This is the one aspect of Transgenderism that I fully agree with the Right on. No MtF Trans individuals participating in Female Sports.

 

My point is that there has been plenty of "settled science" that we have since discovered is not as settled as we think. Simply calling it settled science is a cop out. The issues of our bodies in the binary of male/female are more disjointed now since we discovered chromosomes and genes. One can have a penis (male), but an XX chromosome pair (female), yet because of an odd occurance, also having an SRY gene (male). There are many odd combinations that we don't know really how often they occur, because we have no reason to go look. If nothing medically wrong presents itself, why would anyone do a detailed look at their chromosomes and genes? And if they don't look, how do you know if they are "normal" or not?

So given the three factors above, what is the absolute determinant of physical sex?

 

Why don't they just make some trans only leagues?

 

A real life Special Olympics

 

Are you a spirit? ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

Or were you just really slow to accept century old history? ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Portrayals, portrayals. The protagonist standeth or falls in the eyes of the audience, and all in the same kabuki theatre.

 

Isn't allowing boys to compete against girls FAR more harmful to FAR more people?

 

The sound barrier was never settled science else we would have stopped trying.

 

Good for Arizona.

I will say this about female athletes though. I recall (now give me a break I just learned the game) I was waiting around ASU about 2 am to get on a raquetball court, when one opened up you could always find a couple guys that were willing to play, this one night the only one around was a petite little girl, I thought to myself "Oh ****" I waited around for two hours and I have to play a girl, this is going to be no fun at all. So I thought I would take it easy on her. She kicked my ass. I think I was lucky to score 3 points in 3 games. I suddenly had a new found respect for woman athletes. Prior to that I truly believed that I could beat any woman at any sport at any time. I would have bet that if Chrissy Everett challenged me to a tennis match even though I didn't play the game I would beat her.

 

Only when the science of physical abilities places a hands down advantage to a biological male. The more rigorous sports such as track, boxing, weightlifting, hockey etc that require more strength and speed are more prone to this advantage than the more technical sports such as golf, drag racing, skydiving etc.