Arkansas bans transgender women and girls from female sporting events

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Could you cite the source where this "medical consensus" comes from? I've never heard that.
     
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    Here is a meta-analysis covering prior research on trans individuals’ performance in sports and preexisting sports policies concerning trans people.

    “Currently, the majority of sport policies unfairly exclude transgender people from competitive sport, as the requirements they place on them are not underpinned by evidence-based medicine. Until (and if) there is consistent and direct evidence to demonstrate transgender people have an athletic advantage, it seems unreasonable to exclude them on any basis.”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/
     
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    I'm curious if you just Googled for this article after I requested evidence, or if this is in fact what you had in mind when you made the statement that, "Medical consensus has shown that there is no significant differences between CIS women and a trans women..."

    This study isn't about that. This is an overview of the overall transgender sports experience, in which only one out of the eight articles reviewed dealt with medical issues; Androgen deprivation. Going to the abstract of that study didn't sound nearly as definitive as you made it out to be and I am not sure what's the basis of you claiming this overview is a "medical consensus."
     
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    I think boys should get some balls and participate against other boys like Bruce Jenner did! I thought women's lib fought for Title IX so that women would have equal opportunities in sports participation. Now, you crazy people want to destroy girls from participating and being able to win in sports. How is that fair keeping girls who love their bodies from participating and also gaining college scholarships for their education? Have you people forgotten that there's a difference between the sex of someone and sexuality? Get some help people or use some meds to help...
     
  5. MJ Davies

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    Here's a suggestion. How about you don't call other people "crazy"? It just makes it easier to have a discussion without all the name calling.

    Secondly, can you cite any sources that support your statement that an X group of people want to destroy girls from participating in and winning sports?

    Finally, I don't know many people above the age of about 10-11 that don't know there is a difference between the sex of someone and sexuality? What is your point?

    As an aside, for what specifically does one need to get medication?
     
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    I'll start calling people something other than crazy when they stop being crazy. Apparently you aren't aware of high schools allowing transgender boys participating in girls sports? It's all over the TV. A famous women's soccer player just came out in favor of this perversion and unequal events against girls trying to get athletic scholarships to college. There's an age at which boys should not compete in girls sports. We all know when that age happens. Now, if a girl wants to compete in events against boys, no problem. Marion Jones used to run youth track where and when my daughter ran track. She would run against the boys up to about 8th grade because of the lack of competition in the girls events. But, she was not the norm. With the kids around the ages of 8 - 10, they ran and competed together and it was fine. My daughter beat a lot of the boys then. But, not as the kids got older as the boys matured.
    Again, it's completely against what women's libbers fought against. Now, the looney left are for inequality for girls?
     
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    I would suggest if there's not enough people that are trans and also interested in the sport the trans girl can play on the boys team and the trans boy can play on the girls team so long as he isn't taking testosterone because it is a performance enhancing drug.

    I think this is going to be a hard sell to the trans people because it seems so important that other people accepting them is such a big part of their mental health. So I would go farther and say one of the best things for them is I'm getting the proper care even if they don't have mental health issues. That should happen first before anything else.
     
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    Why is it fair for females to be able to play on men's sports teams and to be in male clubs?
     
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    You are aware that females produce testosterone also.
     
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    Just like back in the 1970's when women wanted be in all male clubs and sports...It actually started in the 1930's but the biggest push through the courts was in the 1970's and 1980's they called it equal rights or something absurd like that.
     
  12. Polydectes

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    18 times less than males yes.
     
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    It is a biological fact that males have a greater prowess and physical activity this doesn't just date back to the 1930s it takes back to Mesopotamia. Warriors were typically men.
     
  14. Moonglow

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    They produce 1/10th to 1/20th of what males produce...Yet that doesn't mean only men produce testosterone. And not all humans produce the same amounts.
     
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    Didn't say only males produce testosterone only males produce testosterone at 18 times that of females.

    Variance between one male and another isn't as great as variance between one male and one female.

    We didn't create female sports to exclude anybody we created them so that women could have sports teams.
     
  16. Moonglow

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    Typically women were left to reproduce more soldiers yet not all cultures had male only warriors and leaders of armies.


    Tomyris led her armies to defend against an attack by Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire, and, according to Herodotus, defeated and killed him in 530 BC.

    For the female satrap and builder of the Mausoleum, see Artemisia II of Caria.
    Artemisia
    Queen of Halicarnassus, Kos, Nisyros and Kalymnos
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    Reign 484–460 BC
    Coronation 484 BC
    Predecessor Her husband (name unknown)
    Successor Pisindelis
    Born 5th century BC
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    Died 5th century BC
    Issue Pisindelis
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    Father Lygdamis I
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    c. 454–450 BCE Lygdamis II
    Artemisia I of Caria (Ancient Greek: Ἀρτεμισία; fl. 480 BC) was a queen of the ancient Greek city-state of Halicarnassus and of the nearby islands of Kos, Nisyros and Kalymnos,[2] within the Achaemenid satrapy of Caria, in about 480 BC.[2] She was of Carian-Greek ethnicity by her father Lygdamis I, and half-Cretan by her mother.[3] She fought as an ally of Xerxes I, King of Persia against the independent Greek city states during the second Persian invasion of Greece.[4] She personally commanded her contribution of five ships at the naval battle of Artemisium[5] and in the naval Battle of Salamis in 480 BC. She is mostly known through the writings of Herodotus, himself a native of Halicarnassus, who praises her courage and the respect in which Xerxes held her.

    You surely remember her character from the movies of 300 and the 300 part duex. There are many stories of female warriors in societies.
     
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  17. Moonglow

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    The why do we allow women to play on men's sports teams?
     
  18. Polydectes

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    I'm not interested in whatever exceptions you can find they are exceptions. Exceptions do not negate the rule.
     
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    Because when you let someone who is at it disadvantage compete with more advantage to people you're not giving that person an advantage when it goes the other way you are.
     
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