Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

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  1. MJ Davies

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    Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop
    Link to video on Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380977216708874244

    I have heard ad nauseum that black and brown people are treated poorly by cops because they are combative and aggressive. The best thing to happen for civilians is cops having to wear body cams. This kind of thing has happened far too often and the officers and their superiors just cover it up. Nobody is policing the police.

    What do you think?
     
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    I think Nazario created his own problem. When did the idea of non compliance become acceptable? He sits in his car for 5 minutes while being told to step out dozens of times, then he just can't figure out why he got gassed, sprayed, cuffed, and slammed on the ground? Nobody is going to give this clown any money. He got what he was asking for.
     
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    I’m glad they are wearing them, and glad that in this case it showed the cops acting crazy.

    however, I was listening to some podcast, I forget what it is called, and I guess now police are starting to use body cams to incorporate faces into facial recognition software, along with scraping faces from social media. I think all facial recognition should be banned from law enforcement use. It’s a slippery slope we are going down, and it is way to easy for all this data to be misused. A dystopian future is looking more and more likely.
     
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    I don’t understand why they didn’t just go and talk to the guy while he sat in his car like any normal police officer.
     
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    I think being asked why you are being stopped is a reasonable question. If the cops can't tell the man why he is being stopped then he should have not been stopped. Having lived in VA, I suspect that Windsor is a speed trap and that is why the man was stopped. Then he was profiled.

    Policing for profit is commonplace in VA. The hick towns between VA and NC used to and likely still do run speed traps for revenue and I believe the incident in the OP occurred in or near an area that AAA used to call the Million Dollar mile. One of the reasons I left VA was the policing for profit. Even 15 years ago they must having had license scanners as you could not drive one day on an expired tag without being stopped. In 15 years I have not been pulled over once by WV police for any reason.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Doesn't matter if the cops were right or wrong. You can take that up with the judge.
    Non compliance has the very same ending. Most adults would simply exit the vehicle and then resolve the problem. By refusing to comply you appear to be hiding something and only escalate the situation. Everyone knows this. It isn't a secret.
    Nazario knows this as well. He made a bad decision and he got his feelings hurt.
     
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    I agree to a point, but they were handling that completely wrong. Even if the law was on their side, they could have handled that much better. Telling him he is about to “ride the lightening”? That’s just immature. I have the highest respect for law enforcement, but these two were out looking for trouble. The other cop knew they crossed the line. You could see it in his face.
     
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    Too many bullies have badges.
     
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    He had a just bought vehicle which had the rear license plate temp displayed in a rear window as the state law requires, they apparently did not see it and assumed he stole the vehicle which the color of his skin probably biased them on. He has a great case against them and the way they treated him.
     
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    I never even considered not complying with a request from the police. That would be anarchy. What is so hard about listening and showing a little respect for the police, who have a hard enough job to do? If he is so fearful of the police, being combative just makes it worse. I vote stupid and hoping for a payday. If some are so fearful, maybe they should find somewhere else to live.
     
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    If the funds to finance law suits against police came out of their union pension funds instead of from taxpayers, police treatment of the public would be improved quickly.
     
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    this is evidence of the state of America's military

    they are suppose to follow orders
     
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    Well per capita black and brown people DO tend to be more aggressive and non cooperative with cops than white people. This particular incident of a black man being calm and polite does not negate that fact.

    In this particular case I would like to see the beginning of the interaction between Nazario and the cops. Based on the 1 minute clip he seemed to be calm and polite and asking questions even after being sprayed. I would assume that he had that same demeanor prior to being sprayed. Most folks tend to get less "polite" and calm after being pepper sprayed. That leads me to believe that the aggressiveness stemmed from the cops, not him. Could be wrong, I don't see the beginning of the interaction.

    Plus he is also an Army Officer in uniform during this altercation. That sort of thing USUSALLY eases the tension that comes about during police interactions. The cops see someone in uniform and they tend to sign a bit easier, especially if it's a military officer....At least in my experience. The fact that they were this aggressive towards him in while he was in uniform and being calm and polite makes me think that there is either some context missing from this story or those cops are garbage people.

    The report claims he was pulled over for not having plates on the vehicle. I wonder if when he was first pulled over and approached and asked why if he was given an answer from the cop. Based on the video it seems like he has no idea why they pulled him over and they aren't answering him. If that's the actual case and they were getting aggressive with him like in the video then yeah they were completely wrong and he has every right to go after them.
     
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    How would they handle it much better? Ask him another 40 times to get out of the car? Maybe another 60 times?
    How many thousands of Yotube videos of non compliance that ended up with a cop getting shot would you like to see?
    Nobody knows what this guys intentions are. What they do know is he won't exit the vehicle under command with two guns drawn on him.
    I would have tazed him out of the car. He got off easy.
     
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    he wanted special treatment because he was in uniform and black
     
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    Were these cops in his chain of command? I doubt it.

    in today’s racially supercharged environment, these cops should have known better. At least tell him what they were accusing him of. They were stupid.
     
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    From the article:
     
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    Not special treatment, just NORMAL humane treatment.
     
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    Heres a thought. How about you exit the vehicle as ordered so the officers can sort this out instead of creating additional drama and escalating this by refusing to comply. Acting like your hiding something isn't the best way to get the end result you would prefer.
     
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    he was not being combative or belligerent. He was just asking what the problem was. It would have been a simple thing for them to tell him, and then he could have shown him the vehicle documentation.

    I am very pro law enforcement, as you would be able to see from previous posts of mine, but I’m going to call out BS when I see it.
     
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    I would have liked to see the beginning and what lead to him being sprayed. However, if he were only pulled over due to tags, the cops could have asked about it, but not sure if it's confirmed that was the reason he was pulled over.
     
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    Wanting your Constitutional rights IS NOT special treatment. We have someone who committed no crime, was not charged with a crime, was not told why he was stopped, is in an area notorious for speed traps and police misconduct. Why should he get out of his car?
     
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    How about starting out with "Sir - I stopped you because [reason]".
     
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    Yet here you are making determinations about the stop you have no clue about. For what ever reason, they didn't approach the vehicle as a normal traffic stop.
    Doesn't matter at the moment if they are right or wrong. What does matter is they have a suspicion something is up and approached the vehicle with guns drawn.
    For 5 minutes they ordered the suspect out of the car AT GUN POINT. Nobody cares how polite he is. He is knowing refusing to comply.

    There comes a time when asking to comply reaches its limit and force is going to be used. No matter how nice you are.

    He refused to comply and he got what cops do in that circumstance. Forced compliance.
     
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