Army use Cornyn for target practice

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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tories complain about May talking to Corbyn as she has said he is the most dangerous person for Britain. Another protests about her doing business with someone in charge of an anti-Semitic party - that one of course we should give the greatest credit to Blairites of the Labour party. Now no doubt due to hearing all this the army is using Corbyn for target practice. This country is sick and democracy moved to authoritarianism where politicians by their lies promote the killing of the leader of the opposition.
     
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    The Brexit clowns never tire of telling everyone how evil and rotten the EU is and how it breaks apart soon, etc.

    Well ... I think the UK will break up more likely. The Scots are deeply pissed off because of the Brexit and if this circus number goes on at "Big Ben" and UK economically goes down the drain, then a new exit referendum of the Scots is sure like the Amen in a Christian church!
    Also Northern Ireland ... the country where for decades a bloody civil war reigns and only a fragile peace exists is deeply divided here. The Protestants are more for Brexit, the Catholics (ie Irish) want in majority to stay in the EU. Slowly a fuse is burning ... a very dangerous fuse!
     
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    :)....caveat that with "some" Scots are.....not all
     
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    Sure ... you are one who is not. But deoending to those 35 people ind our corporation who work in Glasgow, only 3 told me that they still prefer the Brexit. 10 told that they voted for Brexit but with knowledge of now, they would neve do again.
    Of course this is not representative ... but if I take the colleagues, then they tell me, that's what it looks like all over Scotland!
     
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    No, they'd have been doing it before all this as well, I daresay.
     
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    The army are supposed to stay out of politics, and so they should.
     
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    You cannot get away from the reality that how the Government and some in the Labour party speak of Corbyn amounts to incitement to hate.

    The LSE did research on the media bias against including lies produced against Corbyn by the Press and saw it as a danger to our democracy. That this can be done continually by our Government must be an incentive for people who have signed up to protect this country to want to kill Corbyn. The Tory Government and many in the Labour Party are guilty of dangerous hate crime and should face the same penalties as anyone else doing this.
     
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    I'm certainly not one of those freaks who really care about "political correctness" ... but:

    When British soldiers, servants of their country in uniform, use a Labor Party Laboratory billboard as a target in front of the camera, a red line is crossed and this must be fierce punishment and expulsion from the armed forces as a minimum penalty!

    It also has nothing to do with free speech, as some Corbyn haters want to excuse it ... how about if they had tkaen instead posters of Boris Johnson, Nigel Farrel or other Brexit clowns, eh?
     
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    Ye I would agree they should be court marshalled. However in this instance they are being encouraged to think about Corbyn this way by the Government suggesting he is a danger to the UK..in the last couple of days people complaining about May even speaking to Corbyn who they claim is a danger to the UK. The LSE discovered that there was a massive bias against Corbyn in the media and that the majority of that was lies. That that was being done against the leader of the opposition in a democracy they saw as being way past what was free speech but a threat on democracy....and as for people calling the Labour Party the antisemite party of course there has been massive attempts to suggest this. However research suggests that there is minimal antisemitism in the Labour Party, I would bet way short of that in the Tory party given that most of the genuine stuff comes from the far right and what is more that antisemitism in the Labour Party has gone down since Corbyn became Leader of the Opposition. What you have is the right wing of the Labour Party and the Tory party spreading lies and misinformation because they do not like the political views of Corbyn and his followers. It is a move towards totalitarianism. It hasn't worked so far because his supporters absolutely know it is lies but if you have a soldier who was an EDL supporter it is hardly surprising he believes it is cool and in service of his country to use Corbyn as target practice. MP's should be held to the same restraint as other members of society.
     
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    Sure ... if you take the British media, especially the well-known newspapers with their font size huge headlines, then the pure paper stinks for sheer lies, before you started to read. It is well known that these newspapers have only one content: hatred, fear, boobs, sports and weather forecast!

    In principle, the whole rotten political system has become clear in the UK since the Brexit referendum. No matter if it's Torries, Labor or whoever. Everyone of them is already divided in terms of Brexit and not a single party is clear for or clear against it.
    What Theresa May has done here in just under two years, can be summarized with the word "poor / lame" as a result.
    The leaving date 29.03.2019 was already very ambitious as regards the task management and many have already rolled with the eyes of it.
    And if you then go and send to the important EU negotiations with the hundreds of negotiating points people as negotiators, or makes a full idiot and liar to the Foreign Minister, both of which are not interested in any deal, then that can not be done with a regulated Brexit as it is necessary, also work out.
    Interesting is how little these ignorant idiots want a No Deal Brexit, actually know about WTO rules, the EU itself and its institutions, bodies and working groups and also what important points it is!
    I only had a discussion yesterday with such a jerk in the pub. Literally, "It is an impudence on the part of the EU to levy customs duties on imports from the UK in the event of a no-deal Brexit". There you are just speechless, how stupid people can be.

    Whether Corbyn would have done anything better I seriously doubt, but using a poster on him as a target is disgusting!
     
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    You see, people are wanting actions taken against the British peddlers of hate in the EU Parliament. We could do with the same in Westminster.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rd-batten-for-inflammatory-language-mep-urges

    Concerning the LSE research on the Press and Corbyn, this was in 2015 and is in no way better by now

    http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf Just read the beginning of the forward and you will get the general drift.
     
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    Maybe if Jeremy Corbyn wasn't an IRA terrorist sympathiser the DUP wouldn't fear him.
    Maybe if Jeremy Corbyn wasn't a Marxist, the Tories wouldn't have resigned the party for sitting down and giving him legitimacy.
     
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    Maybe if people got their information from better sources than the bias media they would be worth replying to - and of course that was the criticism given by the LSE

    http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
     
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    Iain Duncan Smith is appalled over the PM's inability to accept she lost to a point she's now talking with the enemy, how more informed do you have to be than Iain Duncan Smith?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...ncan-smith-appalled-by-pm-s-cross-party-talks
    Conservative MP Iain Duncan Smith says Theresa May's talks with Jeremy Corbyn "legitimise a Marxist whose sole purpose in life is to do real damage to the country".

    That's not biased media, that's BBC. That's impartial publicly taxed media.
     
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    The BBC is extremely biased. However that is exactly what I am talking about. The disrespect and abuse from the Tories and Labour Right towards the Leader of the Opposition. It has become the norm. It is not how a democracy works. If we are a democracy, the leader of the Opposition is not the enemy. It the Government claim the leader of the opposition is the enemy the blame lies with them for inciting hate resulting in uneducated people in the army using Corbyn for target practice. This is clear incitement to hate. That is exactly what I have been talking about.
     
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    Jonathan Cook has an article on the army using Corbyn as target practice.

    He mentions things I did not know about. Like him being egged by someone - which there is a video of and which was an assault, a punch in the face with the egg. He mentions that the papers presented this as fun, as something he pretty much deserved. He mentions the things I mentioned like the claims of antisemitism, by someone who has spent his entire life fighting all kinds of such abuse and even the much more dangerous claims that he is a spy and a terrorist and a danger to the country as Rhetoric provided proof of a Minister saying.

    Now Rhetoric provided a sample of this from Ian Duncan Smith saying that Corbyn's 'sole purpose in life is to do real damage to the country'. This is the leader of the Opposition in what is supposed to be a democracy Duncan Smith is talking about and this has become common parlance. Any time I have watched question time it is just May indulging in personal insults against Corbyn and when I heard them at it yesterday it just beggars belief. If Corbyn was 100th of what they freely claim he would have been arrested long ago. But this is much more serious. Like myself Cook talks about all the claims of antisemitism and how they are not true... and it is interesting that since the statistics came out which show this and show that far from their being an increase in antisemitism since Corbyn took over Leadership there has been a decrease. Do they say sorry and admit they were making it up. No, they just pretend they do not know this.

    Corbyn is attacked because he is moving the left to a level that the Labour Party was roughly in the 80's. At that time the Tories were not that much more to the right. In what is supposed to be a democracy both the media and politicians of both the Tory Party and the Blairite Labour Party are calling him a threat to the country, have pretended he was a spy and manufactured Institutional antisemitism and on and on. This is dangerous both to Corbyn's life and to Democracy in the UK. We are a democracy. To project onto someone what is projected onto Corbyn because he is of a different political position is the actions of a Totalitarian society.

    Is it just these soldiers who were using Corbyn as target practice who might be thinking about killing him, killing the leader of the Opposition? Not a bit of it.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/03/jeremy-corbyn-as-target-practice/

    It is not Corbyn who is a threat to this country, in particular to Democracy in this country, it is the politicians and Media working to incite hate. It is the work of Totalitarian Politicians who clearly do not care for the life of the Leader of the Opposition as they day in day out incite hate against him.
     
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    @alexa,

    You're turning a molehill into a mountain.

    The army already said it's going to investigate this because it conflicts with their political neutral edict.

    Seems you're using this incident as a vehicle to promote Corbyn haters hating Corbyn and it being somehow wrong to express political opinion against some Jew hating Marxist.

    If you googled Corbyn right now, it'll show you everything he's done this week, and all the people in the Conservative Party who have a problem with the PM talking to him, and that's it. These results you'd be able to Google tonight are 1 day old, 2 days old and happened today.
    Not even Corbyn nor Google are dragging yesterday's target practice story on.

    @alexa, time to face facts this isn't sparking a Corbyn revolution and people aren't as outraged as you'd hope they'd be.
     
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    The PM doing this shows she's not willing to budge on her deal, and that she's now desperate.


    Damn right.

    She crossed a line crossing the house.

    Just look at Boris Johnson and Iain Duncan Smith.

    https://news.sky.com/video/no-need-...olve-labour-says-livid-boris-johnson-11682557

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...y-corbyn-labour-party-iain-duncan-smith-video

    What the PM is doing is dangerous and reckless.
     
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    I am suggesting that by the psychology we know of extremism, politicians who are opposed to Corbyn in complicity with mainstream media are setting him up to be assassinated. I am further saying that no country which believes in democracy presents the Leader of the Opposition as an enemy of that country.
     
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    Looks like Ian Duncan Smith is certainly someone whose word should be taken with a pinch of salt

    Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/ia...s-most-people-want-a-no-deal-brexit-1-4884069
     
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    Then get a new leader of the Opposition then.
    Ditch Corbyn, Ditch Momentum because they're no good, and get a Labour Moderate.
    Then our free press core wouldn't have a problem since there'd be no Red Rush, Red October, Red Revolution.

    Remember, this is Britain, not USSR.
     
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    Exactly what I was speaking about. People who do not support Democracy in the media and in our Parliament falsely claiming that Corbyn and the left are terrorists. It is the sign of a dangerous totalitarian state and has absolutely nothing to do with Democracy. It is rather about radicalising the far right for terrorism. You would appear to be complicit and certainly have no love of democracy. Sickening. You a fan of Tommy Robinson as well I guess.



    I will not discuss this more with you. We all have our red lines. You have made your position completely clear.
     
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    I'm from South London, from Croydon, a black neighbourhood with refugees I went to school with and was raised with.
    What on Earth makes you think I have time for a wasteman/bigot like Tommy Robinson, he's more your type (extreme bigot) than he is mine, trust me.

    There's no moderation with you, it's either extreme left of extreme right lol.

    I suppose you think the nice young MP from Streatham who I do like who used to make my Nan smile every remembrance day for talking to her and her WAAF group at the laying of the reef in Streatham Chuka Umunna is also a bigot for not putting up with Jeremy Corbyn's crap and calling him to account about it. I bet in your book Chuka Umunna somehow supports Tommy Robinson too.
    You make me laugh sometimes with your black & white clear cut polarised only logic of politics.

    You'd have to get Jeremy Corbyn not being a racist out of your head and you must not associate standing up to Jeremy Corbyn as racist, because that's dumb. Tommy Robinson, like Jeremy Corbyn, is a bigot/racist; One hates the Muslims, the other hates the Jews.
     
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