As Far-Right Violence Surges, Ted Cruz Seeks To Brand Antifa A Terrorist Organization

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  1. Space_Time

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    Is far-right violence surging? Is violence from the Left not as bad or more understandable? How should we deal with extremism of the Right and Left?

     
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    Antifa’s mandate is violence. Nuff said.
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    I never thought about it before, but I think Antifa qualified as a terrorist organization.

    But so does the U.S. government.
     
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    By that loose a defintion so does virtualloy every government that has ever existed or ever will exist.
     
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    Well the right is being controlled by the FBI
     
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    There is no evidence of a "surge" or even general increase in "far right" violence that I have seen. I hear people say that on the news and public speakers say it, but I have not ever seen anything that supports that assertion.
    Out of curiosity, why is radical Islamic terror considered left wing? Or is it? Wouldn't Islamic terror be right wing, meaning an increase in "far right violence" could be attributed to the rise in global terrorism? I mean, Christian extremists would most certainly be called right wing in the media. Why not the Muslims? Am I crazy? Anyone see what I am saying here?
     
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    Now you're starting to understand...

    But even by that standard, America is among the worst.
     
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    The only thing worse than two much government is too little
     
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    Terrorists are typically non-state actors. People that talk about state terrorism are using hyperbole for borrowed outrage. What states do is bad enough on their own, you don't need borrowed outrage.
     
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    State terrorism is groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that are part of a govt (Hamas) or just openly funded, and directed by Govts(Hezbollah).
     
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    Try Silva et al. (2019 Addressing the Myths of Terrorism in America. International Criminal Justice Review. https://doi.org/10.1177/1057567719833139): "Jihadist-inspired and far-left terrorism have been steadily declining, while far-right terrorism has experienced the opposite effect. Interestingly, since 9/11, there has not been a single year without a far-right terrorist incident, although there have been three years (2004, 2005, and 2008 ) with zero jihadist-inspired incidents"
     
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    An organization does not need to cause death in its actions to be classified as a terrorist organization, so long as they are utilizing terroristic tactics when conducting itself. In this particular case, utilizing violence and the threat of violence in response to freedom of speech, to shut down a message that they simply do not like.
     
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    Mostly because the Left chose to ally themselves with Islamists, Jihadists, Sharia-supporters and Islamic terrorists of all stripes, because the likes of pro-Hamas, pro-Sharia Tlaib and Omar are de-facto leaders of the Democrat party, because CAIR and the Nation of Islam are staunch allies with the left....

    Why the libs chose to get in bed with the most racist/anti-Semitic, misogynistic, homophobic, anti-democratic movement/religion on the planet is a different question entirely but that's where they indisputably are - in the same bed.
     
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    Like the CIA, etc...
     
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    Are we not allowed to label a terrorist group a terrorist group because there are other terrorist? I really don’t understsnd the point of this thread
     
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    I looked at your paper. The first thing I noticed was that Islamic terrorism is counted as BOTH far right and far left terrorism. That is interesting. Also, the paper is looking at terrorism and "extremist violence" which they did not define, but which is contrasted with terrorism. And finally, I am positive I know the author's personal position and politics just by reading the abstract. This is the problem with soft sciences, they are mostly garbage.

    As for the lie that there were no Islamic terrorist attacks in 2004, 2005, and 2008, I have no idea what you think you are talking about. Aside from the war in Afghanistan which saw continuous Islamic terror attacks, just look at the list of global terrorism from 2004. instead of 0 attacks, there were many!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2004

    Out of curiosity, how many people have died from Islamic terror since 2000? How many from non-Islamic "right wing terror" since that time? I already know the answer, but if you had to guess, who would you say has the highest body count?
     
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    Your first misrepresentation. The authors separate into incident ideology into three: jihadist inspired; far right; and far left. Of course this reflects the nature of ECDB data.

    Your second misrepresentation. The authors provide detailed definitions. For example, their far left measure includes "groups [and individuals] that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes"

    Your third misrepresentation. There isn't an author. There are four. The paper uses respected data, demolishing your claim.

    You only inform me that you haven't actually read the paper; and you struggle with rational discourse. It is obviously referring to incidents in America; the title should have given it away...
     
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    Antifa uses violence to achieve political goals.

    That’s terrorism.
     
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    So state SPONSORED terrorism then?
     
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    That's not why too little government is bad. It's bad because it cripples economic and scientific progress because the strong over run the weak and take whatever they want and nothing is stable to any degree whatever so nothing gets built and no one has the time to study anything much beyond lines of fire and the best places to post look outs
     
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    The surge of violence by the right is controlled by shadowy militia groups working for a Trumpian agenda.
     
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