As Far-Right Violence Surges, Ted Cruz Seeks To Brand Antifa A Terrorist Organization

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  1. apoptosis

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    I admit I was talking about global terror, and it looks like you were speaking only of US terrorism. So, my mistake there.
    The number of authors or other incidental factors about this paper are irrelevant. When you collaborate on these, only one person actually writes it. They don't pass it around and you write a page then I write a page. The politic of the authors voice, is apparent. There is a goal to the paper, and it is clear what that is by reading the abstract.

    Do they provide you a definition of the actual term that I actually referred to? You wanted to prove me wrong, but defined a different word....why?

    So, let's keep this to the US. You claim that there were 3 years with no Muslim terror attacks. I will take your word for that.
    Muslims make up 1% of the population and there were only 3 years since 2000 in which no Islamic terrorism has occurred. So your argument that 99% of the population commits more terrorism than 1% of the population seems very likely. When you compare per capita rates, Muslims make up about 1/4 of all terror attacks on US soil and they cause 90%+ of the casualties.
    Also, since this is about the US only, look up the FBI definition of terrorism. It includes property crime and crimes with no casualties. I think I may have found our "right wing extremism", it is vandalism. The "right wing" groups only account for 6% of the casualties from terrorism.
     
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    Easy mistake to make (except you pretended to read the paper)

    It was indicative of your error strewn response.

    The abstract merely sums up the findings. The data analysis is correct, proving you wrong. Its a shame you can't show the good grace to admit it.

    You aren't being coherent.

    No, the data shows that. It isn't about opinion.

    You merely continue to misrepresent. Let's aggregate the far right and jihadist US death toll (admittedly small compared to standard gun crime). Between 2001 and 2016, ECDB shows that 57% are the result of far right extremists. It is true that a jihadist attack tends to have a higher casualty rate. But it is also true that the far right kill more people.
     
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    That's the word I was looking for.
     
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    Doomsday science fiction. Government in the U.S. from 1789 to 1913 rarely if ever cost more than 5 percent of GDP and the United States grew from a handful of tiny colonies to a world power and some of the greatest inventions and developments of all time happened in those years. Since 1913 the U.S. government has grown to around 40 percent of GDP. The 40 percent is probably a low ball figure since some things the government spends money on is added to GDP, inflating that number. What cripples economic and scientific progress is the parasitic government that takes money from private enterprise, increases bureaucracy exponentially and cherry picks "science" they approve of to the detriment of anything they don't agree with. The current healthcare crisis is the result of a couple of government effects. The USDA food pyramid has caused the obesity, diabetes, heart disease crisis. Government Interference in healthcare insurance has increased the cost of healthcare exponentially. The FDA makes it extremely difficult to bring new drugs to market and incentivizes companies to make minor changes to existing drugs rather than developing new drugs. And these few examples are just the tiniest tip of the iceberg.
     
  5. garyd

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    That's what's known as enough government. What we have today is infinitely more than enough.in fact way to much. Businesses in the US spend close a trillion a year just on compliance reports.
     
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    Then we're a lot closer to being on the same page than it first appeared. If/When we get the government pared down to under 5 percent of GDP then we can argue about how much less government would be appropriate.
     
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    That won't happen.
     
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    Not since 2000 they don't 3000 dead to Muslim extremists on one day. Even throwing in okc right wing is hard press to accumulate Much dead than 500.
     
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    An ignorant comment. The paper is looking at perceptions post-9/11. It obviously discusses such major events at length.
     
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    Here's a sobering stat:

    Mass shootings in 2019- Top 5 most strict and least strict gun law states Most strict

    -CA: 32
    -IL: 25
    -MD: 11
    -NJ: 11
    -NY: 5

    Least strict

    -AZ: 5
    -WY: 0
    -AK: 0
    -VT: 0
    -KS: 2

    Tell me again how gun control works?
     
  11. Reiver

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    Typically by having a marginal impact on the secondary market...

    I know, I know, you're not really interested in the evidence.
     
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    Then why did it get the death toll so wrong?
     
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    It is you who are ignoring the evidence. If unscrupulous people are willing to smuggle in drugs to make money they can certainly do it with guns.
     
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    in the same way white nationalist are a terrorist organization, just Antifa is much smaller
     
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    They haven't.
     
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    I have a complete understanding of the evidence. The Cook/Ludwig versus Kleck analysis, for example, is rather insightful. I haven't encountered one right winger on here that has any knowledge of that research. Crikey, I'm responding to a standard effort at spurious conclusion.
     
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    Cook Ludwig is a Joke classic example of cherry picking data to suit one's self. Lott Mustard is better than Kleck.
     
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    Site me the 3000 total deaths by right wingers since 2000?
     
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    You only confirm how little you know. Lott and Mustard's analysis has been discredited for empirical bias, with econometric methodology found to be problematic.
     
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    I have to repeat the obvious? It is an analysis of terrorist activity post-9/11.

    That you'll argue against the objective data demonstrates an ideological limitation.
     
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    Sorry no It wasn't it was slandered by gun control advocates looking to dodge the obvious.
     
  22. garyd

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    So basically their analysis is fraudulent cherry picking a time frame that leaves out the most horriffic Terrorist act in American History.
     
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    Well that adds up to statistical nothing
     
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    And then............there are the facts.

    FBI DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER WRAY SAYS A MAJORITY OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM CASES ARE MOTIVATED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST VIOLENCE

    https://www.newsweek.com/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacy-violence-fbi-director-1450748

    White supremacists..........you know..........the people the Divider-in-Chief think are very fine people.
     
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