As Much As I Despised The Last President, I Always Stood For My Country's Flag

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  1. toddwv

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    Do whatever you want. Nobody would claim that your consistent.
     
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    Yawn.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a bleeding lie. Why would I say such a thing? My family fought in WWII against Nazism and the KKK is a Progressive Democratic creation that terrorizes Blacks, Italians, Christians, and Republicans. Show your factual proof.
     
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    The National Anthem is not the time for
    exercising individual freedom of expression
    any more than the proverbial movie theater.
    :rant:
    It is that simple.

    What part don't I have correct.

    Team owners should enforce good citizenship as they use to do among their players
    and it was part of the contract.
     
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    Make no mistake about it, the Confederate heroes approved of slavery (General Lee, God/Jesus*, other leaders of the Confederacy)....I blame those leaders for that war, and for some of the hatred towards blacks that exists to this very day.


    * http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/
     
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    They DISRESPECT those when they kneel, however.
     
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    Does the confederate flag, and its significance, hold a different meaning in the world of today, where overreach by the united states federal government is regarded by many as becoming worse?
     
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    If Lee/Davis et al had WON, then yes, you'd probably have slaves.
     
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    The U.S. flag represents the genocide committed on the Native Americans, no different than the nazi flag represents the genocide of the Jews.

    Over 50 million were slaughtered, and their land was stolen, women and children raped, in the name of the U.S. flag.
     
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    In the name of their god, as well.
     
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    No more than when Donald Trump calls peaceful protestors "Son's of bitches". It's weird how right-wingers were all about the 1st amendment when a bunch of their ilk were running around with Confederate and NAZI flags while carrying tiki torches, riot shields, and batons but here we have some citizens taking part in a peaceful protest that calls attention to their cause while hurting nobody but authoritarian nationalists who are absolutely melting because a few people dare take a knee during what they feel should be mandatory demonstrations of nationalistic loyalty.
     
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    Yes, I condemn those Nazis and white supremacists like you do.
     
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    Yup. We'll see how that works out for them going forward.

    Of course it would. Except that that would probably violate the grounds keeper's Constitutional right to express himself through having a beautiful field, and the fire marshal's Constitutional right to say it's not a good idea to be lighting fires here and there, and the other team members' Constitutional right not to be breathing in toxic smoke. Ah, that's too much to worry about. Light 'em up. :rolleyes:

    The man has obviously been oppressed all his life. I'm surprised he's ever able to get up off of his knees.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All I know is their whining is not working out at all.
     
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    On the contrary, here's an excerpt of a letter personally written by Robert E. Lee...


    Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:

    I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil.
    [**Snip**]
    While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

    Source: http://www.civilwarhome.com/leepierce.htm
     
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    Trump is talking of the nut cases the owners ought to fire. But owners value big money far too much. What I want to see is a good old butt whupping put onto the players by the sponsors. Also crowds should refuse to show up.

    They might have got more respect had they did this when Obama was president since he represented blacks.
     
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    Are you for racism and injustice?
     
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    I put it this way. I am for freedom. Players who protest then play a game, no doubt are not at peak performance. When they lose enough games, this too shall pass.
     
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    I want the killings of whites to end. Anything wrong with that?
     
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    No apology necessary.I have nothing at all against numbers.


    OTOH, perhaps I should be the one apologizing since I do have a serious "something" against bigots using "cooked" data with accompanying appropriate "gangsta" graphic to speciously promote said bigotry.
     
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    okay. flag - anthem same thing.



    yes I am well aware that white nationalists define themselves by their accident of birth.

    I do love the cultural marxism bumpersticker. Yet another meaningless phrase that sounds about right when expressing one's dismay at the other side of the political spectrum.



    ITS BEEN A NATIONAL ISSUE FOR DECADES AND ITS STILL HAPPENING! So really there was nothing really important or timely enough for him to protest.


    Of course you ignore the fact that "taking a knee" was to ensure it wasn't disrespectful to the military. Are you familiar with the myriad military situations where "taking a knee" is appropriate?

    OTOH, I do agree that trump knows how to throw out red meat, both for his base and for his opponents. That somehow the form of protest is more important and "american" than the ISSUE of the protest - injustice and inequality in the land of the free and home of the brave is what he's about. Why focus on police brutality and judicial bias while he's removing policing oversight regulations and starting up the transfer of military equipment to local police forces again, when he can distract the nation over a fight about respecting the nation.

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    Now there you are mistaken, I don't define myself by the accident of my birth, I am defined by the accident of my birth. Conservatives aren't liberals and don't believe that a man defining himself a woman makes it so.

    But it was not a local issue, as you stated.



    Well it failed, apparently. At least so many veterans have stated.

    Just another proof of the ham handedness of that protest.
    So, do you agree that the kneelers ought to back down for pragmatic reasons? The ham handed protest has backfired, badly. Time to fold that losing hand.
     
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    We run into Democrats that are bigots. Is that what you meant?
     
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    So when blacks claim to be African Americans, it is their African nationalism being shouted at us?
     
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