EURASIAHEADLINE NEWS BREAKING: UKRAINE BEGINS SHELLING NEAR MARIUPOL

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    I sure as hell didn't vote for the bloviating freebooter in the general election. Did you vote fot him?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just liberty, and the extinction of tyranny.
     
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    No, I don't agree. Trump's conduct and divisiveness are unparalleled in our history. He is destroying our standing in the world and
    our democracy at home. At one point in the process, I thought that I might be able to support him until I watched his antics at the
    Republican debates. Then I realized what an unqualified liar and con-man he was. My choice was John Kasich and still is.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What if everyone in Texas spoke Spanish and not English, and it was always a part of Mexico? The US in that case would have two choices, force them to give up their language and heritage and kill them, or better their economic condition so they would prefer the US rather than Mexico.

    The choice the Russian Federation made was to better the economy in its Republics. Ukraine on the other hand chose to use hard handed methods including genocide.
     
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    Out of your depth, again? Most Democrats voted for Useless Hillary. So, too, most people making less than the median wage. Now, some white Democrats voted Trump, but a number of Democrats didn't vote at all, including minorities, because Hillary turned them off.

    Why Trump won was a result of a number of factors.
    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    Why did Russia allow Crimea to become a part of Ukraine? It is up to Ukraine to cede Crimea to Russia and not for Russia to invade. Ukraine could have ceded a portion to Russia and kept land in the Shore area. That would have solved the problem, but I think that Russia wanted more than just people. The language is not relevant in my view.
     
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    Who says people don't know who supports Trump? I do think a lot of people are struggling with why his supporters are behind him.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Our standing was destroyed by the criminal antics of the Democrats in not coping with losing the election and accepting the democratic process; preferring anarchy instead.

    If that's what the propaganda networks tell you, then it must be so.:roll:

    For breaking the law. I guess they don't like those things in Russia.

    There are 150 foreign owned media and press in the Russian Federation.

    They desecrated the Moscow cathedral, but that's okay as long as it's not an American one.

    Horrors! They helped the Crimean people free themselves from the Nazis once again. This time though, there were no lives lost thanks to the professionalism of the Russian troops.
     
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    Any sources to support these claims that Russia is a shining beacon of freedom?
     
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    Yeah. You're good. But not as good as reality. But, hell, you keep at it.
     
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    A collection of Jeannette's posts:

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    Let me explain the situation. The USSR was an international system so there were no nations, only administrative areas. It was Lenin and Stalin who gave Ukraine most of their land. Crimea was given to them by Khruschev.

    When the Soviet Union broke up the Russian Federation allowed Ukraine to choose whether they wanted to remain with Russia or be a separate country.
    They voted to be a separate country, but Ukraine wouldn't allow the different areas to vote separately.

    What we have now is a country where most of the people speak Russian. There are also areas where Polish is spoken, as well as Hungarian, Romanian, Czech as well as other ethnic groups that do not want to be under the fascist government in Kiev such as the Greeks. They would rather be under the Russian Federation, as well as the Russyns who prefer Hungary. Let's just say they're not being treated nicely by the nationalists.


    When Galatia wanted to gain its independence before the coup, which would have been the best thing for the country, Victoria Nuland told them not to and helped them take over the government. These people are the same ones that joined the Nazis and killed off the Poles to grab Lviv and the Western areas, and they are hated by all the ethnic groups in Ukraine.

    According to the Minsk agreement Kiev was to make some concessions to the Donbas so they would want to remain part of Ukraine. Instead they are committing one atrocity after another towards them. They want to get rid of all the original Russian inhabitants so they could steal their lands. The people though are not willing to leave their ancestral lands.

    This is why Vladimir Putin said that he will not allow genocide in the Donbas, and if they attack it will be the end of Ukraine.
     
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    The green areas were given to them over the years by the Tsars. The pink area by Lenin. The brown area by Stalin and the blue area by Khruschev.
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    That has nothing to do with.....on how the Demos will act. All it will take, is another Republican upsetting their apple cart. Getting rid of their policy. Then it be back to the same thing. Just another new resistance.

    TRUMP OR REAGAN? Heritage Foundation Reveals Which ...
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/26403/trump-or-reagan-heritage...
    The Heritage Foundation, widely viewed as a leading conservative think tank, revealed this week that President Donald Trump has enacted a more conservative agenda his first year in office than former President Ronald Reagan, as American policymaking has taken a sharp turn to the right.


    ^ that which the Never Trumpers forgot.
     
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    Are you able to give references contrary to any of @Jeannette uploads.
    I haven't been able to find one.
    Usually what I find is absence of a story's presence on Western News systems.

    Anyway, if you could supply one reference refuting -
    it would be most appreciated and best my efforts.



    Moi :oldman:





    FREE MENG WANZHOU
     
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    Nikita Khrushchev was Ukrainian. Not Russian.
    I believe it was like an Executive Order when he was in charge.

    And who would have imagined those administrative areas termed, "Republics"
    would actually become independent nations.
     
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    The Democrats did not prefer anarchy to the democratic process and they accepted the result. Nonsense. Trump's political life is strife with anarchy which he creates with his ineptitude.
     
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    She didn’t “upload” anything, my myopic amigo; she made a load unsupported claims .
     
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    And yet, Blue dog Democrats from the Rustbelt gave Trump the win.




    What was forgotten in all this hysteria was that Trump had brought to the race unique advantages, some of his own making, some from finessing naturally occurring phenomena.

    His advocacy for fair rather than free trade, his insistence on enforcement of federal immigration law and promises to bring back jobs to the United States brought back formerly disaffected Reagan Democrats, white working-class union members and blue-dog Democrats—the “missing Romney voters”—into the party. Because of that, the formidable wall of rich electoral blue states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and North Carolina crumbled.

    In the end, the #NeverTrump movement fizzled, and most of the party rightly saw, after putting aside the matter of his character, that Trump’s agenda was conservative in almost every area—immigration, energy, gun rights, taxes and regulation, abortion, health care and military spending......snip~

    https://www.newsweek.com/why-did-americans-choose-trump-over-clinton-521965


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    Obviously the leftness, since they call everybody Trump Supporters/Worshippers. Except for other leftists. Despite their inability to comprehend that the Blue Dogs bailed on their kind and gave Trump the win.
     
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    How about as a matter or record.

    Have you ever been able to refute one of @Jeannette uploads with references,
    or without, with references of your own?

    Sometimes a story catches me off guard and when I do a search,
    no Western News system will be linked to a story but, the story may
    be coming from a Hong Kong or India news source.
    That's my experience.

    One of my most memorable was when :flagus: bombed a
    doctor's without borders hospital that was clearly marked and registered
    and the West ignored the story for a week. But the rest of the world
    was speaking to it so it did eventually get western coverage.
    I guess by then it was "old news".


    Please, it you have even one reference link with such a bounty of @Jeannette uploads to choose from,
    please let me know.
    Lacking that, take the last word if you must, then - say "Hi" to Moe and Larry for me ;)

    Moi :oldman:






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    I miss those days when news was a part of journalism and competing
    organizations would try be the first to break a story.
    Now they all cover the same stories.
    Lacking investigative journalism.
    I guess that ended with Watergate.
     
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    If she'd bother to support her nonsensical claims, I'd be giddy with delight to refute them.

    It's not my job to research a load of Trump that came out of someone's Donald.

    Since you're so concerned about defending nonsense, cite to some sources for Jeannette, eh.
     
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    Ad I said, a number of factors were involved, not just a shift of some Drmocrats.
    Gobbledygook.
    In short, Trump lied about what he would do for the economy.
    Trump would have lost if he hadn't faced an incompetent Democrat.
     
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    Trump won for a number of reasons. Attributing his win to a shift of some Democrats is pop blather.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love ad hominem attacks too.

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