EURASIAHEADLINE NEWS BREAKING: UKRAINE BEGINS SHELLING NEAR MARIUPOL

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  1. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and you think all this happened because Putin just felt like it...

    https://fpif.org/an-emerging-russia-turkey-iran-alliance-could-reshape-the-middle-east/
     
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    Uh, no. That's a Putin fabrication:

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...ato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

    When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general’s comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance.

    We now have a very authoritative voice from Moscow confirming this understanding. Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev, who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you fabricate Turkey being part of NATO...it is or it's not.
    Former Warsaw Pact countries, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Poland, is now part of NATO, Ukraine wants to be next

    NATO marched east, they want Russia to be portrayed an aggressor. It's far more profitable for them than peace

    and total rubbish re NATO not discussed we've had a thread full of it... clearly you need to catch up...

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/bionic-mosquito/not-one-inch-eastward/
     
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    1. Gorbachev himself denies that he was told that;
    2. Turkey joined NATO in 1951. And, no, it won't be joining the "rusting" Russian "empire" in any alliance; Erogan may be a bit backwards, but he's not an idiot.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no he doesn't

    U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/bionic-mosquito/not-one-inch-eastward/
     
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    No idea.
     

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