Ask someone who is Transgender anything!

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  1. Nonnie

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    What you are born with is not a choice, but how you act on it is a choice.

    Before I add the next part, I AM NOT COMPARING TRANSGENDER AND PAEDOPHILIA. Take someone who was born that sexually likes children, they have a choice to act on it. Take someone who was born with bestiality tendencies, or axe wielding tendencies plus many more.

    So there many states of mind people can be born with and what is socially acceptable tends to fluctuate. Homosexuality has fluctuated to be socially acceptable and transgender. As generations change, they will become more acceptable.
     
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    Question about removing healthy parts of the body. If you went to the doctor/hospital wanting a healthy leg or arm or ear etc.. removed, I don't think they would do it. So how does this tally removing a healthy penis or breasts? We're all for equality so should both be treated the same?
     
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    That is a valid concern. And it brings up multiple issues.

    First is someone's right to a medical procedure versus the doctor's right to refuse it. Ultimately, the doctor as the final day insofar as to whether he will do any given procedure or not. He has no right to prevent the patient from seeking the procedure from other doctors. If no doctor is willing to do the procedure the patient'' rights are not violated because his/her only right is to get a willing doctor to do it.

    As to the procedures themselves. First I ask, it's a healthy functional earlobe. Why damage it to put earrings in? Or any other body part with pierced jewelry or tattoos or similar? Or maybe you might find non-corrective plastic surgery to be a better comparison. We can even go so far as to ask why we are cutting or removing the protective covering of hair from our bodies.

    The question ultimately comes down to the greater good for the patient. The body part itself may be healthy and functioning, but could be causing problems elsewhere. A woman might have large breasts that are causing her back problems. Few people would complain that she is having healthy body parts removed, in part or in whole, to correct the back problems. Look at cancer as well. We remove healthy parts of the body that was near a tumor (not necessarily whole organs or such). My mom has a tumor in her pancreas. They removed the whole thing despite part of it not having evidence of cancer. She is now a type I brittle diabetic because of it.

    The next thing to consider is our society's tendency to dismiss mental illnesses. Even today there are many who dismiss PTSD, or even physical disabilities simply because they are not readily seen. When it come to transgenderism, and the associated dysmorphia, the question doctors have to answer is what is the greater good for the patient? And while there are some that would argue that the greater good is to get the mind to match the body (of which I am rather on agreement with) there currently is no procedure or therapy that does not cause more damage then it solves. There are many transgenders who would love to have been able to correct their mind instead of their body.
     
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    Yes, how you act is a choice.
    For example in the past when homosexuality was not accepted, it was common for gay men to marry and have families... while leading a gay life on the sly

     
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    There's also no reason it's not early childhood alien abduction either, but it's damned unlikely. Occam's Razor is your friend.
     
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    Oh dear. See this is where the whole thing becomes as muddy as hell. You should know that any medico involved in this field has utterly compromised their own science. They are barely better than witch doctors. The entire field (from a psych perspective) is compromised, and has been for some time. The DSM can no longer be trusted, as it has been 'adjusted' to fit the ideology of the day. There is so much wrong in this very bogus field, that I can see a time where it may be surgically excised from medicine altogether.

    It's actually deeply concerning.
     
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    Occams razor would indicate it is a natural phenomena of some sort
     
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    Not in the sense you mean. It's 'naturally occurring' only in that it's a mental illness.
     
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    This is still common
     
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    I find it amazing that many times,if it goes against their beliefs, suddenly, a person is calling a profession corrupt and comprised, that at other times they would use said profession to support their argument.

    What is your objective evidence that the profession is comprised and cannot be trusted. And please don't try the "common sense" argument, because common sense is a myth and subjective or location based at best.
     
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    I've been around the field for a good chunk of my adult life (professionally), and have observed the rapid retreat from empirical science, and from direct communication of that science to patients, in the 21stC. The same process has been happening in ordinary medicine - a good example of which is the once standard GP response to obesity-related disease was to tell the patient that the cause of their ills is their obesity, and addressing THAT (while quietly treating the symptoms). Now, the GP addresses the 'symptoms', barely mentioning the obesity. It's pretty clear, from this example, that political expediency has replaced science - in many areas of medicine.

    In psychiatry the problem is even worse, for obvious reasons. It was always field with a lot of grey area, but political pressure has begun to erode what remains of the hard science in many of those grey areas. It's so bad now, that consulting a Shaman may be more useful.
     
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    So is Jodie Whittaker technically a transgender? There's a thought, in character though.
     
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    I don't know that many gays but most of the gay men I know in their 40s and 50s used to be married and had kids. I suspect for men in their 20s and 30s, starting a family takes precedence. In their 40s and 50s there is only sexual gratification to be concerned with.
     
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    As someone who has also suffered from gender dysphoria, what was your breaking point, as in what was the moment that you realized you needed to transition and couldn't wait any longer?
     
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    I don't think you (or any trans-people) get to decide for other people whether their preferences are based on something "reasonable" or not.

    Chimaraism...I am just wondering, how would people with two sets of chromosomes even be born? Usually fetuses with abnormal chromosomes are automatically flushed by the wombs.
     
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    Current theory is that one of a set of fraternal twins dies while still in the zygote phase, and is then absorbed into the sibling. Because the immune system isn't established at this stage, it is not rejected, and both sets begin construction of the body. They just end up doing different parts. When the immune system does go online, both sets are already there and are established as the baseline.
     
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    Oh, I see what you meant now. You meant different chromosomes in different parts of the body. At first I thought the body had twice as many chromosomes in every cell.
     

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