Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    "Early release"??? There isn't any court that has supported his position of refusing legitimate congressional subpoenas. This is just part of his refusal to recognize our constitution's clear statement of checks and balances - an obvious justification for impeachment.

    As for diverting funds specifically allocated for our military, that isn't something supported by any court.
     
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    NOT good enough. That excommunication was only one event.
    OK - but that's not the point in this case.

    The point here is that religion is about duty to god. It is NOT about the rights of man.

    Our government is about the rights of individuals and how we can work together here on earth.
     
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    Nonsense. That experiment is well known and taught in school. I didn't graduate with a physics degree, but I still learned this as part of my education.

    The problem is that quantum physics is not well understood. People can USE it as a set of rules, and how to do that gets studied a lot. But, theoretical physicists do not have a real answer for how/why it works. There are very few who are even bothering to think about how it could derive from nature.

    I think we need to be careful when we sling around this "quantum physics" thing. People treat it like it explains far more than it explains. Plus, it is clearly NOT fundamental in terms of our universe.
     
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    Your quotes show that some voting machine fraud was detected, but does nothing to support Trump's and trump followers' claim that millions of illegals voted.
     
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    No, actual large scale voter fraud was not detected. If it had, they would be prosecuted, Voter ballots that were cast by felons in states that didn’t allow then to vote, was a small problem but was never deemed significant nor intentional. The one actual large scale voter fraud was committed by republicans,
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html
     
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    I don't agree here in that the whole focus on individuals breaking the law is a straw dog - a total political dodge.

    There is LARGE scale fraud that is more or less legally executed through the many means of laws that effectively limit voter registration, delete registrations, etc. We also have significant weighting of the system by providing different levels of service to different districts, with some requiring voters at some polling placers to wait for hours while others go through rapidly. There is the issue of differential access to absentee ballots. Polling places are selected in out of the way places in many districts and along with restricted hours make voting differentially difficult. And, of course there is the purely partisan gerrymandering that is clearly rampant, causing absurd differences in representation.

    If one has control of the voting system, one can make a huge difference in election outcomes - and never be held accountable for perpetrating a major assault on our democracy.
     
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    I hear you. But to me, voter fraud means the voter committed the fraud. What you’re describing, is voter suppression. If means are legal but the intent is to suppress votes, it should still be illegal. Officially, voter challenges are legal. But, if it only occurs to minorities, it goes to intent and the act then becomes illegal.
    There is one party that is advantaged by voter suppression. In the real world, their leaders should have been facing criminals charges years ago.
     
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    Agreed.

    But, whenever this topic comes up, it gets shunted to "voter fraud", including by Trump who put in place his commission to study this problem. That was (and remains) pretty much perfectly designed to hold the space of fairness in our electoral process as a whole, while the real fraud gets carried out at a scale that can not even remotely compare to the trivial issue of individuals who may or may not get away with voting when not legally registered.
     
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    This is the one area that distinguishes today’s republicans from ligitimate free world political partys everywhere.
     
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    The statements made by myself and Above Alpha stand well enough on their own merits. For a comparison of topic versus college degrees, UFOs are a valid topic but there's no degree available on Ufology.
     
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    Are you arguing that your woo woo rises to the level of space ships from other star systems?
     
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    Im inclined to agree that neoatheists do not know what they are because they cant seem to find their official dictionary with all those 'official definitions'
    So where the hell is it already?

    Its no surprise they cant answer even the most simple questions.

    If they ever have a contest with theists over who can answer the most difficult questions they would come in last place.

    So you want to help DT find that official neo atheist dictionary with all those 'official definitions', or are you going to let us down again?
     
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    This last sentence is nonsense.

    You simply like theistic answers, so you decide to pretend that all other answers aren't answers.
     
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    OMFG, you cant be serious, in the neoatheist world view they excommunication is not good enough, heads must be chopped off too. Please, can we be just a bit more serious?
    Here we go again with neoatheist incorrect answers.
    How about the agnostic giving you people the correct answer.
    Religion is about duty to your strongly held beliefs, particularly with regard to matters of conscience, no god required.
    I strongly believe murder is wrong and I stand by and will fight to uphold that belief. So tell me about neoatheist rights.
    No its not, its about commerce, the government constantly attacks and or violates our rights. Someone would need to be sleeping through life not to see that.
    Religion is about working together not gubmint, gubmint is about commerce.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I dont see theists posting complete bullshit that they have some official dictionary with official definitions, but noeatheists dont think twice about posting some of the most ridiculous **** I have ever seen in my life, and in the same breath claim they [neoatheists] are the source of logic and reason and theists are wacko.

    Please cite that official dictionary for us
     
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    You didn't read my post - this is totally nonresponsive.
     
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    No, religion isn't about duty to your own beliefs. Definitions of religion include worship of an "other", not worship of yourself. And, it includes an overarching supernatural power.

    Your attempts to abstract "religion" to total meaninglessness is not a valid argument style.

    Religion is about duty, not personal rights. It's about what is expected of individuals. Religion places limits on mankind.

    Our government defines a good number of broad rights that permeate our law - representation, equal treatment under the law, etc. These rights are secular. They are limits on our government.

    When we see limits being placed on the overarching power, we know it is not religion. Religion doesn't go that direction.
     
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    when [IF] you figure out why let me know
    So then the neoatheist position is that its about a duty to someone elses beliefs? Its becoming increasingly difficult to take this seriously.
    which of course does not mean it excludes self
    which does not mean it is limited to an overarching power
    Oh?
    So give us the 'official' substantive definition of religion from your secret 'official' dictionary!
    Religion is both duty and rights.
    Mankind?
    So you think there is some universal religion?
    Except for neoatheists I imagine?
    Really?
    Must love that puppy chow!
    So what secular reason were the Mormons denied the ability to exercise their religion UNDER? the law, where the secular gubmint came in and outlawed poly marriages, overruling the Mormons religion with the gubmints secular religion?
    Wrong, they trumped one parties religion with the gubmint religion.
    Seems they are not
    Geebus you post some over the top theories, where did you find that rubbish, cite it please.
     
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    You’ve said nothing that made any sense. Just don’t brag about ‘ ‘ degrees” then declare the people that give them don’t know what they’re doing. It’s hilariously juvenile. It’s like you think you’re talking to someone who actually tajes you seriously when you use such tactics.

    No, but there is astrophysics and astronomy. That’s astronomy, not your fave fakery, astrology.....
     
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    Nor do you. Just like all the “ isms “ name throwers use to describe liberals, are barely literate when it comes to definitions.
    Using neo atheist as a slander all the time should indicate you know what the definition is. As yet, you’ve yet to define it.
     
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    So, how does one recognize a neo theist ?
     
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    yes this thread is a treasure chest of proven neoatheist illiteracy
    false
    it a distinction atheists made because they do not want to be associated with neo atheists. case in point, earlier in the thread the neoatheists drove the real atheists away due to their incessant word salad game playing.
    false
    guess you have a short memory.
    secondly I had nothing to do with defining neoatheist, just another in a long list of falsisms posted by neoatheists on this board.

    ask a theist

    I am still waiting for your secret official dictionary with your secret official definitions. Anytime before the sun goes nova would be nice.
    :deadhorse:
     
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    I have no official dictionary. I just refer people to the ones in common use by most universities .
     
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    Nope. Religion is about making stuff up and getting paid for it.
     
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    So then you have no facts to bring to the table, just the slang of the day?
    From that it sounds like we can conclude that your strongly held neoatheist beliefs is all about making **** up and getting paid for it
     
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