Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Two massive loads of bovine excrement without any attempt at providing any credible substantiation duly noted for the record.
     
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    subject matter consisitency

    you forgot to include which is ________________________________________
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    I did support several times in several ways ...if you can't understand it that 's on you and that is the impediment to discussion. AND as I mentioned before , it doesn't look to me like you want a "discussion" you simply C&P your same speech....like most Anti-Choicers.

    OK, read my lips, I don't care if you don't understand.
     
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    Religion involves the supernatural
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Religion 'can' involve the supernatural, the supernatural however is not a 'requirement' to be a religion.
     
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    And as you are aware, atheism by definition is not a religion.
     
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    That wasn't a Definist Fallacy. That is quite literally what Atheism is. It is the belief that god(s) do not exist [ie, the opposite of Theism, which is the belief that god(s) exist].


    'Belief' is "the acceptance of an argument as a truth". I have been very clear and consistent about this definition regarding my line of argumentation.

    Would you care to directly counterargue my arguments then?

    This is irrelevant to the discussion we have been having about the definitions of the terms and why atheism is indeed a religion and a belief.


    I do not accept National Geographic as a source. This is also veering away from the discussion about why atheism is a belief and a religion.

    ...IF you define religion as 'theism', but religion is NOT theism. Religion encompasses much more than just theism. In fact, Buddhism and Shinto are examples of religions which are non-theistic. Scientology would be another example.


    I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself, I do not attempt to control anyone.

    My arguments have been both rational and logical. See the foundational axioms of logic.

    Projection.

    And even here, as you can see with the two phrases that I have bolded, you are falsely equating 'religion' with 'theism'. Religion is NOT Theism, as explained above.
     
  8. gfm7175

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    And you are imposing secular laws overriding theistic laws... Your point?? There's no way to avoid legally imposing your own beliefs onto others; that's why Article 1 Section 8 of our Constitution (and the 10th Amendment) made it quite clear that the federal government was not to legislate social issues such as abortion. Those issues were to remain legislated on a more localized level, so that people could choose what laws they wanted to live under. When legislated federally, there is no such choice.

    What double standard?? The creator of all life is incapable of murder, by definition, since he is the owner of all life. You might not see it that way, since you don't believe that God exists, but for the Bible believing Christian, there is no "double standard" involved in this line of argumentation, as I have explained.

    That is not a logical fallacy. No woman is being punished for not being married.

    No woman is being punished for having sex. They are simply experiencing the consequences of their choice to have sex.

    No rights are being denied to women.

    Nothing emotive about what I said. The basis for my reasoning is the inherent right to life that everyone has.
     
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    Since my assertion made specific reference to "heterosexual intercourse", that is what I will be taking "human intercourse" to mean.

    For one reason or another, no, it does not. Maybe intercourse wasn't timed properly, maybe the male or female has a medical condition of some sort which makes the female getting pregnant much harder (maybe even impossible), and etc...

    Because sex produces a 'feel good' sensation. Plenty of people will even regularly masturbate for that same reason. Those 'feel good' sensations often become addictions if repeated enough times, which then become very hard to break.

    Correct. People want to enjoy the 'feel good' sensation of sex WITHOUT having to deal with the potential consequences and results of sex. Ask yourself this: If you do not want children, then why are you engaging in an act which is specifically meant to yield children?

    Correct, but fallacious if you were to base your argumentation on tradition.

    Can you quote the verse speaking about this so that I can make reference to the context surrounding the verse?

    See above.

    Effectively, it IS. Intercourse is what yields pregnancies... Intercourse is meant as a way to pass DNA along to future generations.
     
  10. FoxHastings

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    NO, consent to one act is not consent to any other act.

    In FACT, NO woman can consent to getting pregnant, they either do or they don't, and a woman can have sex a thousand times all the while "consenting to get pregnant and NOT get pregnant.


    If you consent to allow someone in your house and they come in and beat the crap out of you and steal your belongings do NOT call the police... Afterall, you CONSENTED to let them into your house :) Does that mean you consented to anything they do after that???
     
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    Technically, it isn't. Effectively, it is.

    This is my very argument. Glad that we agree. Women obviously do not have control over whether they end up getting pregnant or not. That is why, effectively, the woman is consenting to pregnancy when she consents to sex. There is a possibility that pregnancy might result from sex. Sex IS the method of reproduction, ya know.

    False Equivalence. Pregnancy is part of the natural process of sexual intercourse. Getting the crap beat out of you and your possessions stolen is not part of the natural process of allowing someone into your house.
     
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    ** Buddhism and Scientology do believe in the supernatural
    *** You can call anything A belief but I think that’s being disingenuous. I don’t believe in pink unicorns so therefore that is a belief to you
    **** I am not surprised you don’t believe anything in national geographic because it is scientific
     
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    It’s strange to hear someone today saying that intercourse is only for procreation. I only have one child so I only had sex once (tongue in cheek)
     
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    What is "the supernatural"? Is it natural things that we don't yet understand? Buddhism and Scientology are not theistic religions (they don't believe in god(s), but rather are atheistic).

    Not everything is a belief. Only "the acceptance of an argument as a truth" is a belief. As long as an argument is present [[an "argument" is a predicate (or predicates) followed by a conclusion]], that argument can be believed.

    Precisely. You are expressing your belief that the statement "pink unicorns exist" is false. You are accepting the falsehood of that statement as a truth. In other words, you are expressing your belief that pink unicorns do not exist. These statements are also arguments, since in their argument form, they are concluding with their initial predicate. This type of argument is otherwise known as a circular argument, which is what all theories begin as. An initial circular argument is the basis of all religions in existence today.

    National Geographic is not science. No publication is. Science is simply a set of falsifiable theories. A lot of times National Geographic articles actually outright reject science.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    NO, consent to one act is not consent to any other act. LEGALLY and practically consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.

    Contact a lawyer and have them set you straight...
     
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    :) For SOME people that IS all sex if for...pathetic isn't it but I love the fact they are missing so much FUN!!!!!!
     
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    I've been quite clear that sex does not always result in pregnancy... There are numerous reasons as to why one might not become pregnant, or have a harder time becoming pregnant, or whatever... Given that, sex is still the method upon which one becomes pregnant. Pregnancy is the natural purpose of having sex. Yes, one can replace the natural purpose with another purpose, but that doesn't change what the natural purpose of sex is.
     
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    I'm in favor of the Canadian approach of no laws and public healthcare that includes abortion costs.

    I'm opposed to using unsupported accusations against those who favor laws against abortion.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I did support several times in several ways ...if you can't understand it that 's on you and that is the impediment to discussion. AND as I mentioned before , it doesn't look to me like you want a "discussion" you simply C&P your same speech....like most Anti-Choicers.



    Uh, are you lonely? Have a problem? Need attention?


    Why are you telling me about "unsupported accusations" when I have supported my accusations?

    Do you think if you C&P your same crap over and over again enough I'll agree with you? No, I'll just :sleepy::sleeping:

    Doesn't get much more boring.....
     
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    Been there, done that already

    It is neither rational nor logical to IGNORE the dictionary definitions of terms and make up imaginary meanings for the purposes of promoting and projection of irrational and illogical superstitions.


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    Disclaimer: The image above is not directed at any individual but is merely provided as a graphic illustration of the use of illogicality as defined by Lewis Carroll in Alice in Wonderland.
     
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    The STATES are specifically PROHIBITED from VIOLATING individual RIGHTS PROTECTED by the Federal Constitution which is what theists in Red states are trying to do with their UNCONSTITUTIONAL anti-abortion legislation.
    An imaginary "creator" does NOT live by the SAME LAWS that it IMPOSES on those that are supposed to be it's "faithful worshipers and followers"?

    "Thou shalt not kill" unless you are a sociopathic deity that engages in the mass murder of fetuses on a daily basis?

    How is that NOT a double standard?
    AKA PUNISHING women for having sex out of "holy wedlock".
    The Al Ab Ama legislation PROVES the opposite.
    That does NOT apply to a FETUS since it DEPENDS entirely upon someone ELSE for it's own existence and survival at the EXPENSE of the other individual.

    No one has the RIGHT to demand the life blood of anyone else WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT! A women has the RIGHT to deny consent of the use of her body to a fetus.
     
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    Hetersexuals engage in all the same sexual practices as do those who are not heterosexual so your semantics are meaningless.
    Or is it because they just had oral or anal sex instead.
    :roflol:

    Does that make EVERYONE a "sex addict" just because they have had sex for DECADES?

    Ask yourself this: So you ONLY have sex in order to "yield children" because that would be the EXCEPTION and NOT the rule?
    :roflol:

    100% of your "argumentation" is based upon traditional adherence to Stone Age superstitious traditions.
    So you don't actually know what is in your own bible?

    Try googling for bible verses and see what you can find for yourself.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-is-not-prolife_b_1207222

    https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights
    No, it is NOT consent to pregnancy and no amount of denialism can alter the FACT that abortion has been around for at least as long as it took to figure out that crocodile feces cause abortions as do certain plant species.
     
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    Why do so many atheists seem to have such superior complex, asduming they are just too intellectually sophisticated to believe in God?
     
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    Because believing in God is irrational?
     
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    How come?
     

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