Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

This whole idea of what existed before and what will be there later is little more than mental masturbation for the curious. Trillions of years from now or billions of years ago mean very little to our here an now and we cannot know or really even adequately imagine either of them,,.,so desperate or needy people make up a "God" thingy to help them deal with the inherent ignorance we all have. For all we know this universe might have a shift coming at us and the rules/Reality will change next week

 

Onus is still entirely on YOU to PROVE that there was this imaginary "nothing" and an imaginary "beginning" on top of your latest imaginary "why".

 

Yup!

As they say about Paradigms...Shift happens!

 

Okay, no astrophysicist here of course, but... there IS NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THE
KNOWN UNIVERSE. Our universe pushes "into" this nothingness. Prior
to the Big Bang it-is-thought there was "nothing" (some differ though.)
How can 'SOMETHING' come from 'NOTHING' without cause, effect and reason?
Remember, science states there's a reason for everything. But for the first event
which created all things there must have been no cause and no reason. This is a
tad unscientific.

 

Love the quote. Is it yours?
ps re your cartoon link......
I am no Trump fan, and I am not American, but....
prior to the Civil War in America no Republicans had slaves.
And no Republican supported Segregation.
When did this big switch happen that Republicans are blamed
for all the racism in America?

 

That is a FALLACY!

Just because we have LIMITATIONS to the OBSERVABLE universe does NOT mean that there is "nothing" beyond the observable universe.

What is beyond the limits of the observable universe is UNKNOWN as opposed to your fallacious assumption that it is "nothing".

Yet another fallacious assumption based entirely upon the "In the beginning" theist superstition.

Prior to the Big Bang there was the Singularity compromised of all matter/energy in the Universe. The origins of the Singularity fit the Cyclical Universe theory.

Onus still remains entirely on you to PROVIDE PROOF for your fallacious assumptions.

Where does science make any such statement?

Science makes NO statements with regard to "creation" and DEFINITELY makes no statements with respect to "cause" and "reason".

Those are PHILOSOPHICAL questions that have no bearing whatsoever on Science which is purely focused on the NATURE of the Universe.

Do not impose on Science things that it DOES NOT DO!

Science is about asking TESTABLE QUESTIONS with respect to material matters.

It must be Observable, Material and Repeatable for Science to address it.

Your imaginary "creation", "beginning", "cause" and "reason" are NONE OF THE ABOVE.

 

Dayum...I like that.....would you mind if I use it, with credit of course....I also promise I will inform you if published so you can show it off.

 

In those day what were called Republican eventually became the Democratic Party in the United States and Federalists became the Republican Party.

 

My bold. This is true, and I've seen scientists argue that we may be able to carry out tests to see what the previous cycle was like.

 

Ah, clever!!!!
That's not what Republicans say. The Klu Klux were solidly Democratic.
When did this switch happen?

 

Do a bit of research.
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

 

And there you go. This Cyclical universe is itself a theory, and not a popular one either.
You need proof, my friend.

I hold this statement to be dubious, "There is no beginning to the universe, it has
always existed in endless cycles."
I take it as avoiding the question of "Why", not answering it.

 

No, it is not mine.

While this is off topic I wall answer your questions just once, otherwise we will need another thread.

The Republican party arose from the Whig party coalition to oppose the expansion of slavery.

https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/republican-party

A better way to understand American politics is to understand that it was founded upon a COMPROMISE between Southern slave owning states and Northern industrializing states. The Founding Fathers needed a UNION in order to defeat England and made compromises to the Southern Slave owning states. The world was moving away from slavery and this threatened the Southern states economy. The Civil War was the secession of the Southern States in order to preserve their economy. Republicans were the "liberals" who supported freeing the slaves back in the 1860's.

Jump forward to the 1960's and the Southern States were still oppressing blacks even though they were US citizens. The movement towards desegregating schools and Civil Rights came to a head and the CRA act was passed in Congress over the objections of the Southern state representatives in Congress. That was when Nixon seized the opportunity to appeal to the racists in the Southern states and bring them over into the Republican party. Over time what were known as "Blue Dog Democrats" from the Southern states all eventually ended up becoming Republicans.

So the allegiance to political parties transformed but the source of racism in America has never changed since it is still where it originated when the nation was formed.

Please start another thread if you wish to discuss this further and send me a PM if you do.

 

Thanks for that. The Big Switch in the South was through the New Deal.
Blacks had to turn their backs on the Republicans who brought them
freedom, and vote for the Welfare State of the New Deal.
But modern Democrats, right into the 1960's, supported the Jim Crowe
laws, the ones they themselves enacted.
I suspect this is true for one compelling reason - many left wing historians
don't mention the Democrat role in slavery and segregation - they just
blame it on "Americans" and "whites."

 

There IS evidence for the Cyclical Universe Theory embraced by Roger Penrose himself.

https://physicsworld.com/a/new-evidence-for-cyclic-universe-claimed-by-roger-penrose-and-colleagues/

When it comes to dubious statements where is the evidence for your own dubious allegations WRT to this imaginary "creation" and "beginning"?

 

I appreciate you reading up on and gaining an understanding of American political history, but perhaps a bit more in depth research and the removal or your own political bias would assist you in a more comprehensive understanding. Particularly in the context of my reply and our history from inception.

 

Who do you talk to during sex.

 

Doesn't that depend upon whether one is coming or going?

 

When in doubt, read a dictionary.

 

You’d be wrong. Conflating a person who doesn’t need evidence with one who does, in no way makes them the same.

 

sure, but we have people here that look up the word atheism and their imagination runs away with them such that they see definitions that do not exist, like the atheism is not a religion fantasy/

Both atheists and theists make an affirmative claim, both are required to cough up proof for their claims, but neoatheists have the misguided conception that they are off the hook and the rules of reason and logic do not apply to them.

 

Except of course you have never been able to post an accepted definition of religion that doesn’t require a supernatural being or the belief in one.

 

I affirm unicorns do not exist. I guess that is now my religion. You do have a silly need to pretend that asserting something does exist with asserting something doesn’t exist are equal.

 

false

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion

then again maybe neoatheists are now claiming their morals come from a supernatural diety?

you seem to have completely missed the points, which is atheists are required to prove their position just like everyone else, and neoatheists imagine and evangelize definitions that not only do not exit but are incorrect.

 

LOLOL

sorry, an atheist, a non unicorn believer, or anything like that is not required to prove anything.

If you invent something, you are required to show it and prove it.

As someone pointed out, if you claim one of Plutos moons is made of green cheese,
Just because I cannot prove you are wrong, does not make you right.