Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    You're misstating 90% of what I have already posted.

    1) The SAT, PSAT, ASVAB, etc., are quasi-IQ tests, and I presented plenty of proof of that with numerous quotes, numbers, and graphs showing the correlations between them and IQ.
    2) Because the SAT, PSAT, and ASVAB are not exactly IQ tests, you can indeed study for them and improve your score. I never said otherwise, but you're now claiming that I did, or claiming that's what I implied.
    3) Studying for IQ tests is possible, but the better quality IQ tests will not have any questions that you can/will have prepared for. "Make a sentence using the three words, hunter, hare, field," is the famous one from Judgement at Nuremberg. A simple-minded man can study all day long and still not be able to do it. I'm having trouble teaching my 5 year old niece how to count to five. I don't hold out much hope that she's going to become a nuclear physicist.
    4) The SAT was revamped back in the 1990s to cover more academic subjects rather than fluid intelligence, making it less of an IQ test and more of a test of academic memorization. However, even memorization, crystallized intelligence, is part of IQ. High IQ individuals can learn and memorize more and faster than low IQ individuals. High IQ individuals are going to be in fast track and college track courses and thereby be exposed to higher-level concepts and problems than low IQ individuals, giving them an inherent advantage to doing well on the SAT. If anything, the fluid intelligence test was better because it picked up smart kids who did poorly in school or who had been put in the wrong track early in life or ended up at low grade schools and gave them a second shot at success. This was the concept behind Malcolm in the Middle, a smart kid whose talents hadn't been recognized before being tested because he'd been an adequate but not outstanding student, and how his life changed after being moved up to the group with the nerds & outcasts.


    I'm curious why the left has no problem believing that the races are not equal when it comes to athletic ability but have a real problem with believing that the races are not equal when it comes to intellectual ability. Why do blacks make up 80% of the NBA but only 2% of doctors? Why are leftists okay with the first number but not okay with the second one? Why does the first number represent merit but the second one represent bigotry? Well, here's some more bigotry to make you feel better: The average IQ in the Middle East is down around 80, below that of American blacks, mostly due to the Islamic practice of incestuous marriages between cousins to keep property in the family. And most Middle Easterners are considered Caucasian. Meanwhile, down in Nigeria, the Igbo tribe has an average IQ of 100-103, and they are as black as they can be. Many US schools have been recruiting Igbo children to get their minority numbers up. Meanwhile, not all Asians enjoy a naturally high IQ. Koreans (106), Japanese (105), and Chinese (103) do, but the average IQ in Vietnam is only 96, in Indonesia 89, and in the Philippines just 86. One of the tiny ethnic minorities in China (I forget which one now) essentially takes the place of blacks, with low IQ's, high crime, and high birthrate. It's an insult among Han Chinese to be called by the ethnic minority name. Ashkenazi Jews form an overclass anywhere they live because they have an average IQ of 115. Sub-Saharan Africans would be considered mentally retarded in the United States because they have an average IQ of 70. If you were going to take in millions of new immigrants, which would be more advantageous, taking in millions more Ashkenazi Jews or taking in millions more sub-Saharan Africans? I don't know if this is what Trump was talking about when he talked about taking in Norwegians (average IQ 98.) rather than Mexicans (average IQ 87) or Haitians (average IQ 72), but it certainly makes sense from an IQ standpoint. Which cousin would you rather come stay with you, the smart one who makes a six figure income or the stupid one who is unemployed and going to leech off of you for the next five years? East Asian immigrants make six figure incomes, as do their kids. Haitian immigrants leech off of welfare for years, as do their kids. This isn't hard to understand, but leftists have a hard time accepting it for some reason.
     
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  2. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Donor

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    …………..No......
     
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    I'm curious why racists have no problem believing that the races are not equal when it comes to IQ but have a real problem with believing that the races are not equal when it comes to being racists. Why do racists make up 80% of the GOP but only 2% of Dems?
     
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    A laughable contradiction in assertion. Some how a test is like an IQ test....but it’s not. Btw, IQ test RESULTS ARE CONTROLLABLE.

    You are now BS ing us. It’s either an IQ test or it isn’t. IQ tests are NOT SUPPOSE TO BE CONTROLLABLE according to you. Yet science from the aaas, the LARGEST organization of science, and every university in the world, says IQ test are as much linked to motivation, social and economic factors, as heredity. That makes them not controllable.
    You have no ligit reference from any INSTITUTION. YOURE A FRAUD BECAUSE ONLY institutions are to be believed, not your racists, out of date references.

    The biggest fraud is tha, even IQ test are not controllable. You’re saying people cannot prepare for an IQ test by practicing for them and changing other factors. We’ll go on line and find any of dozens of ligit resources that all give practice and prepared exams for IQ tests. IQ tests only test what the actual exam tests for. It is a snap shot in time, no different then any other test. Our government, and every university in the world says they are CONTROLABLE and not ligit indicators of actual intelligence, name one UNIVERSITY Mr smart asteroid with all your degrees, that uses them. Still waiting.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/04/what-does-iq-really-measure

    Ther is no greater authority on the matter then institutional science like the aaas.
     
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    This looks like is a racist rant from a racist .
    Some how we get called out and complained upon for pointing out such dribble, but it’s OK for this to be posted like it was a ligit opinion from reliable sources.
     
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    Harvard on IQ tests.
    http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/matter-of-fact/presenter_label.php?ID=davies&L=iqtests




    There are 3400 more college and university references from institutions.
     
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    Do you really think dummies would want to post the real ethnocentric Ten Commandments all over the place? Even idiots would draw the line on that. So they go with the lie. They are too lazy to read the silly fairy tale themselves and they want to believe the BS about the silly ones in Exodus chapter 20 or in Deuteronomy chapter 5. It is a real shame that most people are that stupid.
     
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    Same kind of standard hand-waving Derideo does, IQ tests were designed by racists so IQ tests are racist. It was the same argument offered up by Stephen Jay Gould in The Mismeasure of Man. It's a logical fallacy and doesn't explain why Jews and Asians do better on the tests than the racist white Protestants that designed them. Now try answering any of my points.
     
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    xwsmithx said:
    Again, political correctness does not debunk facts.




    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: Nailed it again :)
     
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    simialr to the garden of eden, people dont seek to what gives them the most peace joy and they run from Him. the resltlessness in the human ehart can ony be filled by seeking God. everyone is seeking God whether they realize it or not. Jesus is the answer to this troubled world. Jesus wants us all to come to him. the meaning of life is to know God and make him known. happiness is only found in a living saving relationship with Jesus Christ. Everything else just comes and goes. There is no real peace anywhere else. People confuse bibical Christianity with prosperity gospel and indulgences and name it and claim it.

    Rabbis used to wonder if there would be two Messiahs because He was spoken of as both a Suffering Servant, coming to remove the barrier of sin from between people and God, and as a Conquering King, coming to deliver His people from worldly oppression. But they were reading about two visits of the same Messiah.

    The rabbis also used to wonder if there were going to be three Messiahs, because it is written that He would be born in Bethlehem, that God would call Him out of Egypt, and that He would be called a Nazarene. They couldnt imagine one man fullfilling all three requirements. But Jesus was born in Bethelehm, was taken by his parents into Egypt to escape being murdered by Herod, and lived there until God told Joseph it was OK to return to Israel. Then they went to live in Nazareht, where Jesus grew up and learned and worked until he was thirty.
    If it was difficult to imagine one man fullfilling only those three requirements of Messiah, imagine contemplating the odds for the 300 prophecies that have come true in Jesus!
    First, you would have to go down to the neutron, proton, electron level of an atom to get a sample size big enough. There just arent enough other items in the universe to describe the unlikelihood of this happening. We know it is absolutely impossible of for man to predict the future with 100 percent accuracy. Certainly not to this magnitude. Only God could do that, and He did!
     
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    If you only did some research you’d see the o2 deprivation produces similar effects.
    So we know God always knew man would sin . That's pretty depraved isn't it ?
     
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    People sin out of their free will. Its like people saying people are born with homosexuality.
    identical twins share the same exact genetics, yet so often one could end up gay and the other doesnt. its more than genetics.
    there is only 20% of identical twins where both choose. vast majority do not.
     
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    Do those babies who die in famine because the omnipotent withholds rain sin out of free will?
     
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    How is it free will when God knows ahead of time man will sin and as a result, live a life of suffering. And then, allows 19 other religions and other versions of God just to confuse the s.h.i,t out of man kind.
    I never figured out why he’s no different then the anyone else who spent their days watching fish in a goldfish bowl.
     
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    How did life begin???
     
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    Combine and stir some amino acids, various minerals, various metals and some water, then let simmer for a couple few billion years?????

    Or maybe started when the big guy, having completed the herculean task of creating the universe was sweating so hard, a drop accidentally fell upon the earth and voila!
     
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    When god had finished working hard creating the universe he needed some R&R so he set up his "god-cave" with some drinking buddies and sexy strippers and the rest is history.
     
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    That question has been asked and answered, but again, I do not know and no one else does either.
     
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    It was Zeus!
    Or was it the invisible man in the sky?
     
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    That’s what some people do when they don’t understand something they make up stories to explain the unknown. Like goddess Ceres bringing the harvest because they didn’t understand how grain etc grew . And those woes pandora had in her box.
     
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    If only we could travel 50 years into the future when this mythology also gets placed into history books.
     
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    It was a different God every time something that was once unknown, became known. Man kind is adaptable when the truth is too scary to contemplate. Heck, evangelicals would have the 72 virgin scenario if it wasn’t already taken.
     
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    According to Rev. Gene McDanials,
    “ it took a hundred pounds of clay, “
    And then He said, "Hey, listen"
    "I'm gonna fix this-a world today"
    "Because I know what's missin' "
    Then He rolled His big sleeves up
    And a brand new world began
    He created a woman and a lots of lovin' for a man
    Whoa-oh-oh, yes he did
     
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    Like the 20k kids under four die everyday of horrible deaths because, they chose to sin ? Wtf kind of sin can kids under four choose ? Starvation ? That’s it, they chose to commit the sin of malnutrition. Every time people try to explain god’s will, it gets harder to understand, not easier.

    Now, we’re saying people choose homosexuality just so they can live a life filled with harassment and ridicule. Sounds like another cop out by the Christian God.
     
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    You’ve got a lot of faulty information. IQ test measure how well you do on an IQ test. ALL These cognitive test scores can be improved by practice AND. engaging in athletic related activities and fitness. Cognitive skills and athletic skills are related. You don’t believe me ? Give me a body guard or boxer with poor reading skills who can react and make correct high speed reactionary moves that take more brain related athletic intelligence then any slow reacting scholar. Speed in thinking is also a cognitive skill set. He’ll never be a medical doctor, but he’s one smart sob when it comes time to save your asteroid. You have a completely superficial way of viewing intellect. No, a boxer may never become a medical doctor, but neither can a doctor become an Olympic gymnast or even a chess master or hit a ball like a Ted Williams whose athletic intelligence is off the charts and transferable to being a pilot.

    Athleticism takes a very high level of intellect. There is as much intellectual activity in the brain making decisions that Michael Jordan makes in a game then any any surgeon makes. All athleticism is intellect driven. All tests measure skills. Skills are very specific. The more you practice, the better you get, in either a cognitive or athletic skill.

    This is how modern universities and science look at intelligence.



    The aaas is right, you and your one side ideas are wrong.
     
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