Aspiring Scientists, Fearful For The Future, March Against Donald Trump

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  1. Space_Time

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    Are they right to demonstrate? Or is is this just the politicization of science which should be about objectivity? What will be the outcome?


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...4b00fa7de147c50?rch&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    POLITICS 04/22/2017 11:13 am ET
    Aspiring Scientists, Fearful For The Future, March Against Donald Trump
    The March for Science on Saturday drew droves of Ph.D. and grad students worried about funding for jobs drying up.
    By Chris D’Angelo , Alexander C. Kaufman
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    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump has long perpetuated the debunked theory that vaccines cause autism. In January, while still president-elect, he went as far as to request that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a fellow vaccine skeptic, lead a commission to investigate vaccine safety.

    This disregard for science is among the reasons Sabrina Solouki, a second-year Ph.D. student in immunology and infectious disease at Cornell University, made a pilgrimage to Washington, D.C., on Saturday for the March for Science, a mass protest to rally scientists against what they see as Trump’s backward policies.

    “The administration, by forming this safety commission, isn’t really doing a good job of listening to science — of science-informed policy,” she told The Huffington Post.

    Solouki also wants to unite the scientific community, to push for it to do a better job of engaging with the public at large, and to send a clear message that scientists are against Trump’s proposed cuts to science.

    “Scientists, in general, need to come out and support the march so that people understand that we’re here and we really want to better society,” she said.

    As president of Cornell’s Advancing Science And Policy group, Solouki helped organize for more than 100 Cornell graduate and Ph.D. science students to travel to Washington, D.C., for the event, which falls on Earth Day, the 47th anniversary of the birth of the modern environmental movement. Cornell’s group arrived Friday on three buses.

    “If people don’t trust or accept science and scientists, we won’t be able to translate our work in labs, fields, etc. to the people who can benefit from what we find,” said Morgan Carter, a Ph.D. candidate in plant pathology at Cornell.

    Under the current climate, aspiring scientists may be discouraged by competition for a shrinking pool of federal research funding, she said.

    Since taking office, Trump has shaken the field of science, both with his proposal for sweeping cuts at the Environmental Protection Agency and other vehicles for research funding. His “skinny” budget, released in mid-March, proposed axing at least 31 percent of the EPA’s funding, eliminating the federal monies for the National Academy of Science and gutting underwriting for research at a bevy of executive agencies. Vox called it “everything scientists have been fearing.” Science, the magazine published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said the budget “squeeze civilian science agencies.” The Washington Post noted that scientists were “conspicuously missing from Trump’s government.”

    People do science because we’re interested in solving problems that no one else wants to solve. As a consequence, society moves forward.
    Adrian Rivera-Reyes, cancer biology PhD student at UPenn
    Trump’s hard-line immigration policies rattled science academia even more. The White House’s executive order temporarily blocking travelers from a handful of Muslim majority countries ― a move high-level Trump surrogates admitted would be a first step to establishing the so-called Muslim ban he touted during his campaign ― shook a field filled with graduates of schools across the Middle East.

    “People are scrambling right now in the scientific community to figure out all the ways it plays out and what it means for grad students, innovation and the private sector,” Wendy Naus, executive director of the Consortium of Social Science Associations, told HuffPost in January. “If it is a glitch or a blip, and the outrage is heard and things go back, the damage isn’t done. But if it is the new normal, then, yeah, we are risking our competitive advantage. These are fundamentally things we’ve never confronted before.”
     
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    For one it is not a march for science but a march against Trump. What next, seances for science?
     
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    I'll give climate change deniers my admiration for the size of their gonads...They're willing to bet their grandchildren's lives that their right...
     
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    I bet these are some of the scientists that set in motion climate models 18 years ago and blew that 'future' thingy.
     
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    Yea, that's what always gets me. I'll be dead long before the worst effects have been witnessed but my son and particularly my granddaughter not so much.

    Strange that it's usually the "family values" bunch as well?
     
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    Who is doing the real betting? The hysterical activists that want to hurt actual people for an unverifiable hypothesis or the realists that see through the folly?
     
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    Most climate change zealots are science deniers, denying the earth and its climate in constantly evolving. They want to gamble their grandchildren's futures in a belief that if they force everyone to return to primitive living and an erased economy of an impoverished nation they would stop the earth's climate from every changing again - stopping the forces of an evolving earth after billions of years of doing so.

    Generally, people who rant about climate change rant against all change of any kind and go into hyperventilating hysteria at even the prospect of any change. Mention changing or shutting down a government agency and most will go into a total panic melt-down.

    It is known the "climate scientists" lie for money and attention whoring. For decades they insisted we were entering a new ice age. But when the government started paying for the opposite results, the simply declared opposite science. Many, if not most, professional scientists are professional perjurers.
     
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    It has been admitted that vaccinations have caused autism and many other harms, for which the government has paid out many, many millions in damages.

    But many people, particularly Democrats, worship the big drug companies and will agreed to pay and put into their bodies - and their children's bodies - anything the drug companies want you to.

    You are correct that many to most Democrats want American students by the tens of thousands denied admission to universities as they prefer that our universities teach potential enemies how to build nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, computer hacking and top technology for their sweatshop industries in their fundamental hatred of the USA and Americans who the believe should all be punished - and that the federal government should pay to block Americans for college education and subsidize the war and manufacturing industries of our competitors and potential military enemies.

    If there is a rouge WMD attack it will have been made possible for anti-American liberal universities and paid for by American blue collar worker's taxes, blue collar because their were denied admission to facilitate foreign countries building that WMD.
     
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    More accurately, it would be "marching for money."
     
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    people who think that climate change can be affected by mankind should head down to the beach and make the tide stop rising. If they can do that I am willing to listen to what they say
     
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    Lol. The only people who "admit" that are the anti-vaxer kooks who apparently love putting their children in deadly harm's way.
     
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    The meat and potatoes of the article pretty much claims this is about money. If Trump paid these people to disprove global warming would they do it?
     
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    The Left fears everything. Very fearful people.
     
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    I suppose what vexes me most is that global warming by excessive CO2 emission was scientifically predicted over one hundred years ago...see Svante Arrhenius' work...he did it with nothing more than a slide rule and an understanding of the laws of physics and chemistry...At least he is comfortably dead and won't have to give in to the temptation of saying "I told you so", however that's pronounced in Swedish...
     
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    I think it's pronounced, "Don't import muslims."
     
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    These same morons who claim to be marching for science will stand up and scream gays and cross dressers are born that way without a shred of science to back any of it up.
     
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    "Aspiring scientists" aka: leftist political operatives.
     
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    Considering the track record of predictions by the morons on your side over decades being 0% correct this statement is beyond amusing.
     
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    Pretty much one in the same.
    Trump FanBoys have tried to demonize science - now scientists are standing up for themselves. What's wrong with that?
     
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    Glad I could contribute to your amusement....
     
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    What was the amount of government funding the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison and Henry Ford received?
     
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    Nope. No agenda here. You think all those young kids are marching for this ****?
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    It was world wide. So no it was not just about America:roll:
     
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    Agreed or rather it is all greed. There is one denier on this board whose reason is that he wants to drive a big car
     
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