Assault rifle ban will fail without objective definitions because...

Not stupid enough to get into one. But if I did I wouldn't need an assault rifle.

 

Get a land line.

 

Great so you endorse people owning assault rifles with no training and no understanding of how to use them.

 

Takes nothing to take out the power grid. Happens every hurricane. But having a land line will solve the phone problem. Mine has worked through every hurricane here in Florida even when the power and cell service was down. And if that doesn't work for you there is always a sat phone.

 

After Andrew I was working with FANG shuttling supplies from NE Miami down to Homestead and I swear the place looked like it had been carpet bombed, people where walking around in clothing they had been wearing for days, many of them literally had nothing left but a roofless concrete shell, no running water no working toilets and no way to even wash their hands.

Metro-Dade police had no working communications, Homestead PD had a little communications, 911 that's a joke cellular was down as where 90% of landlines.

As for being armed, neighborhoods where being patrolled by armed residents, the police and Metro-Dade overwhelmed "it was quite common to see "you loot we shoot" warnings sprayed on walls.

Governor Chiles had no clue as what to do but fought tooth and nail trying to prevent Bush from sending assistance, it wasn't until the totally incompetent Metro-Dade EM Kate Hale made her "Where the hell is the cavalry on this one?" after which Chiles relented and signed off on Bush sending in help did we begin to get any real help down there.

Heck FANG was officially running the airlift as a training mission as Chiles with his disaster response incompetence never activated them, he probably didn't know they even existed.

 

That beats nothing when the looters are running rampant and law enforcement is in shambles and has no communications.

 

The shop keepers in the city of Los Angelas during the Rodney King riots did indeed need so-called "massive firepower" to accomplish the goal of defending their property, as law enforcement was nowhere to be found when individuals were either robbing them or throwing molotov cocktails into their store fronts.

 

How much understanding can it possible take to figure out how to use a simple semi-automatic rifle?

 

Yea right, after Andrew a lot landlines where down for over 6 months, after Wilma it took us (BellSouth Telecommunications) 3 months to get all of the landlines back up in Broward and that was with all of the mutual aid the company could muster.

What you don't understand is landlines, unless CO based, will go down 8 hours after a commercial power loss and will stay down until we we're able to deploy and place trailer mounted gensets at the RT's.





But for too many that meant nothing as a major part of our outside plant was wrecked we had something like 1700 poles down taking out 75% of our OSP with them, no working copper no working landlines and nobody's calling anybody.

Sure, like everybody has one of those laying around, get real.

Truth is after a natural disaster like a hurricane everybody is on their own for at least a few days, many times longer than that, no lights, no communications and no E911, so you better have a few guns and ammo ready, cause when they come a looting you are on your own.

Oh if you think you are going to use a cell, think again, unless it is a maco-site with a working on-site genset, the sites batteries are again going to go dead in about 8 hours and stay dead until we or the other carriers can get generators out to the site, that is if the fiber to the site is up.

 

After Ivan, my landline was out after about 8 hours of the power being out. I don't remember the reason why, but a neighbor said that the way our neighborhood was wired for landlines made them susceptible to go out during long power outages. The landline came back when the power came back.

 

Mine went out about 8 hours after the power went out. Sat phones are more expensive than guns, and much less reliable.

 

Assault rifle ban will fail without objective definitions because...


Because gun enthusiasts and manufacturers want it to fail.....they will insist on regulations that are easily circumvented.... then go about circumventing the regulations.... the say i told you so that regulation is pointless

Mail/internet order of guns and gun parts should be outlawed.

Magazines over 8 rounds should be outlawed

All new sales of semi automatic weapons should require a special permit that will require the equivalent of a security clearance, with a special photo id, and put the applicant on a national list.

Private sales of automatic weapons should conform to the above standards

Sellers who violate the above should serve mandatory jail time

Interstate sales of firearms should be forbidden.... including a sale to anyone without a local state picture id and residence address

And yeah.... i know it will never pass
And yeah i know you think it is punitive

But you asked what i would do, and i answered

 

More than likely you where served out of a remote terminal (RT), they are commonly connected by to the CO switch by a fiber optic connection, being remote from the CO power they are locally powered by commercial power, when that fails they automatically switch to local battery strings which can supply about 8 hours worth of power, once they get low the RT powers down until commercial power is restored or a genset is placed.

 

Since this might be relevant to this thread, I thought I would let everyone see a current legislative proposal in my Commonwealth of Virginia. Virginia has an advisory board called the “crime commission.” It meets to discuss legislative proposals and it makes recommendations to the Virginia General assembly. In response to the Virginia Beach shooting, the crime commission meets next Monday and Tuesday. Several legislators have proposed new laws they want the commission to take a look at. Some “pro-gun” and some “anti-gun.” One new law proposal is a ban on possession of an “assault firearm” and a “large-capacity firearm magazine.” Here is the specific language from that bill (with definitions):

A. For purposes of this section:

"Assault firearm" means:

1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);

3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);

5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).

"Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2.

The law also defines a “large-capacity firearm magazine” as follows:

A. For purposes of this section, "large-capacity firearm magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition, including any such device with a removable floor plate or end plate if the device can be readily extended to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition. "Large-capacity firearm magazine" does not include (i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition or (ii) an attached tubular device designed to accept and only capable of operating with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

If enacted, the law would ban these items in this way:

Any person who legally owns an assault firearm, as defined in § 18.2-308.8; large-capacity firearm magazine, as defined in § 18.2-308.9; silencer, as defined in § 18.2-308.10; or trigger activator, as defined in § 18.2-308.11, on November 1, 2019, may retain possession of such assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator until July 1, 2020. During this time period, such person shall (i) render the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator permanently inoperable; (ii) remove the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator from the Commonwealth; (iii) transfer the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a person outside the Commonwealth who is not prohibited from possessing the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator; or (iv) surrender the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a state or local law-enforcement agency. The provisions of § 15.2-915.5 shall not apply to any assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator surrendered to a local law-enforcement agency pursuant to this section.

Possession of an “assault firearm” or “large-capacity firearm magazine” after July 1, 2020 becomes a felony offense under this proposed law. There is, by the way, no provision for a buyback. Surrender would be without compensation.

If you are interested, I am sure local Virginia online media outlets will cover how the meeting on this and other bills goes…

 

Bans all semi-automatic firearms and shotguns.

 

Factually correct. Firearm-relate restrictions in the united states will fail, simply because the people of the united states want them to fail. Just as was the case with the nationwide prohibition of alcoholic beverages.

Therefore there is no sense in further discussing them as if they held actual merit, when they simply do not.

 

Ah... a couch expert renders words of wisdom won from experience... got it and measured you.

 

That is of course silly. I have a Ruger Rimfire and there is no concievable way I could fire and kill as many people in as short a time as if I had the Browning. Not to my knowledge on single mass murder carried out with a .22.

 

Thank you oh expert speaker of couch wisdom.

 

But a whole lot more useful in the real world. And my land line has worked through every hurricane in Fl in the last thirty five years. Of course they get so jammed that it usually tKes forever to get a call through but that should get better with more and more people ditching their land lines. And I do live in the middle of the state so we never get it as bad as the coasts.

 

I'm calling BS on that comment, class 5 switches do not get jammed up and take forever to handle a call, you just get a fast busy and have to redial.

By the way the FCC has paved the way for ILEC's to kill off POTS which means in a few years landlines will go bye, bye.

Maybe 4 decades ago with a number 5 Crossbar it would take longer to complete but not nowadays.

And yet you're proffering advise for everywhere, how disingenuous.

 

Just about happened yesterday in Daytona.

A Florida man has been charged for threatening to commit a mass shooting after his ex-girlfriend alerted authorities to a series of ominous text messages he sent her.

I'm not crazy I just wanna die and I wanna have fun doing it, but I’m the most patient person in the world,” Wix wrote in another message.

Chitwood said that authorities recovered a .22-caliber hunting rifle and 400 rounds of ammunition in his apartment.

 

Actually, a firearm is much more useful than a satphone. It can be a way to signal as well as a home defense. Sat phone just makes me reliant on the police, hoping that they can take time out to help me. My landline died about 8 hours after the power went out during Hurricane Ivan. Didn't come back until power came back. Just the way my area is wired, per my former neighbor who was in the utilities business.

Hmm, it takes forever to get a call through. That's going to be a lot of help when I have looters walking down the street. Are you actually reading what you just wrote?

I live about 1 mile as the crow flies from a barrier island, not in fairly safe inland area.

 

I have news for you. The process of legislation is a process that never ever stops. Literally every single piece of major legislation involves a series of amendments and supplemental pieces of legislation that tweeks the definitions, fills the loopholes, and hopes to provide the courts and the public with clarity where clarity was lacking. In short, legislating is by definition a constantly moving target. Definitions change, they grow more narrow or more broad. Provisions are modified, dropped and included with each legislative session and lobbyists and legislators are constantly prowling for advantage during the process.

Your point is pretty hum drum and the criticism unpersuasive. Congress passes an rather imprecise bill or flawed bill, and as problems crop up with what was passed, or how technology or society is impacted or a constiuancy is affected with intended consequences, they get addressed in subsequent sessions.