The headline: At least 3 people killed and 5 people wounded in shooting at motorcycle rally in Red River, New Mexico, mayor says The link: At least 3 people killed and 5 people wounded in shooting at motorcycle rally in Red River, New Mexico, mayor says | CNN The lede: "Multiple people were shot and at least three people were killed at a motorcycle rally in Red River, New Mexico, on Saturday, Red River Mayor Linda Calhoun told CNN. Five people were injured, she said. One of those injured was airlifted to a hospital in Denver, New Mexico State Police said. New Mexico State Police had earlier tweeted that two people were killed and six people were injured." The comment: Guns in the news. Again. Once again our social programs, our laws and our level of law enforcement was unable to avert these shooting deaths. Deaths from gunshot, based upon data for 2020, occur roughly every 12 minutes in the United States of America.* Roughly 110-120 people will also die from gunshot today in the United States of America. Guns in the news. Again. Stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
The data from Pew Research for the year 2020 listed some 45,220 deaths in the United States of America from gunshot. Pew Research has now listed data for the year 2021. It shows 48,830 deaths by gunshot, or roughly one every 11 minutes. That's also roughly 135 per day. An interesting take on gunshot deaths that I read went something like this: If guns aren't the problem and people are the problem, why make it easier for the people to be the problem by letting them have guns? Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
Why are we blaming inanimate objects for societal problems again? The onslaught of crime doesn't have anything to do with guns. The country has had guns for hundreds of years without issue. Skyrocketing rates of illegitimacy and fatherlessness are fueling this epidemic of violence. Throw widespread drug and substance abuse on the fire for good measure. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...-cause-juvenile-crime-juvenile-crime-opposing
The media and their faithful followers instigating generalized imitation and social contagion…..again.
Hi, bclark. I don't know about 'blame'. The Pew Research people have posted data for the year 2021*. It states that there were 48,830 deaths from gunshot in the United States in that year. The coroner's reports for those deaths list, with perhaps a very few exceptions, the cause of death as due to a bullet or slug or shotgun pellets. Those -- bullets, slugs and shotgun pellets, are inanimate objects. They are listed as the cause of death. 48,830 deaths in 2021. Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot. * Ref.: What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S. | Pew Research Center
1. Over 50% of those deaths were self inflicted. Another case of dishonest anti-gun arguments. 2. Why did you skip 2022? Could it be because gun deaths went down in 2022 and continue to go down?
Hi, WBK. Thank you for noting the omission of the Pew Research data for the year 2022. Could you be so kind as to post it? Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
Pew Pew doesn't have numbers for 22. Here's a source that shows gun deaths are down by 4000 https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-died-gun-violence-day-us-year/story?id=97382759
Re: It certainly seems like you're blaming inanimate objects for human behavior. Why else would almost every thread you start be something about "Guns in the News"? If you weren't blaming guns then why haven't you started a thread about the evils of Fentanyl and related drugs that kill more people than cars AND guns, combined(1)? I you really wanted to blame someone or something for at least 5 times as many unnecessary deaths, you'd blame the great number of incompetent doctors who kill at least 250,000 people each year vs the mere 38,390 gun deaths as reported by: National Center for Health Statistics. I assume that you either dislike and / or fear firearms which is entirely your right but over 19 million Americans participate in one of the many shooting sports (3) There can be "guns in the news" that is not negative like the number of women who have taken up the shooting sports(4) because gender makes no difference or the fact that the" U.S. has earned 116 medals since shooting first entered the modern Olympic games in 1896". (5) I can only assume that, unlike millions of perfectly rational, everyday Americans, you have a visceral dislike for firearms. I hope that by learning some of the other instances of "guns in the news" you'll see that firearms are not just for killing. Thanks, (1). "Fentanyl and related drugs are killing more people than guns and cars combined. Many victims don’t realize they’re even taking it" https://fortune.com/2022/10/28/fentanyl-drugs-overdose-deaths-cocaine-meth-synthetic-opioids/ EXCERPT " Last year, overdoses from all drugs claimed more than 100,000 lives for the first time, and the deaths this year have remained at nearly the same level — more than gun and auto deaths combined." CONTINUED (2). "Medical Errors Are Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S." https://www.usnews.com/news/article...rs-are-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us EXCERPT "MEDICAL ERRORS ARE THE third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer, causing at least 250,000 deaths every year, according to an analysis out Tuesday indicating that patient safety efforts fall far short. "People don't just die from heart attacks and bacteria, they die from system-wide failings and poorly coordinated care," says the study's lead author, Dr. Martin Makary, a professor of surgery and health policy at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. "It's medical care gone awry."CONTINUED (3). “Different Types of Competition Shooting" https://schooloftrades.edu/different-types-of-competition-shooting/ EXCERPT “The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) states that 19 million plus Americans safely invest their time in target practice. They use handguns, shotguns and rifles. Some of this is for fun and much of it is for competitive shooting. Practice makes perfect.” CONTINUED (4). "Top 50 Women in Competitive Shooting" https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/6/19/top-50-women-in-competitive-shooting/ EXCERPT "From action pistol and bullseye champions, smallbore, high power and precision rifle masters, trapshooters and Olympic gold medalists—SSUSA has compiled this list of 50 (52 to be exact) female athletes that are influencing the ever-changing landscape of competitive shooting—for the better. Note: This isn’t a ranking, though we purposely grouped the first four women at the front in recognition of the attention generated by their respective shooting careers. Otherwise it’s a random selection, with the goal of presenting female shooters from as many disciplines as possible."CONTINUED (5). "GUIDE TO OLYMPIC SHOOTING EVENTS AND WHAT TEAM USA IS UP TO" https://freerangeamerican.us/tokyo-2020-olympic-shooting-events/ EXCERPT "Shooting events don’t get all the glory at the Summer Olympic Games — not the way mainstream sports like swimming, track, and gymnastics do. But if you watched the 2020 games in Tokyo, you know that shooting events are plenty of fun to watch. And the United States always dominates Olympic shooting. The U.S. has earned 116 medals since shooting first entered the modern Olympic games in 1896. China comes in at a distant second place with 67 total medals, 26 of them golds." CONTINUED
some gun banners have claimed, on this board-that pro rights advocates welcome news about massacres. Obviously a lie: all one has to do is look to see the political agenda of those who constantly clutter up the world/national news threads with gun shot related crimes
Why in the world would 2nd Amendment supporters welcome news about a massacre when the only result would be calls for more gun control laws like the ones that didn't work in the first place? You're right about most of the gun related threads being about something negative. Rarely do we see threads about people using guns in a positive light such as the millions of self defense incidents that occur and are unreported each year(1). America's Olympic shooting team seldom makes the news in spite of the fact that they have dominated the shooting sports since 1896 when shooting was established as an Olympic sport (2). There was a time when "school shooting" used to refer to the local High School shooting teams and their competition against rival High School teams. We do not have to accept today's meaning for "school shooting" as the new normal if we would only enforce existing laws and upgrade America's sub standard mental health care system. Thanks, (1). "Unpublished CDC Study Supports Claim Of Over 2 Million Yearly Defensive Gun Uses" http://truthinmedia.com/unpublished-cdc-study-2-million-yearly-defensive-gun-uses/ EXCERPT "Kleck’s controversial claims that there were more than 2.2 million defensive gun uses (DGUs) in the United States each year, has now been bolstered by the previously unpublished CDC study. In February 2015, Kleck doubled down his findings and noted that while there were plenty of critics of his work, none have been able to counter his findings with empirical evidence."CONTINUED (2). "GUIDE TO OLYMPIC SHOOTING EVENTS AND WHAT TEAM USA IS UP TO" https://freerangeamerican.us/tokyo-2020-olympic-shooting-events/ EXCERPT "Shooting events don’t get all the glory at the Summer Olympic Games — not the way mainstream sports like swimming, track, and gymnastics do. But if you watched the 2020 games in Tokyo, you know that shooting events are plenty of fun to watch. And the United States always dominates Olympic shooting. The U.S. has earned 116 medals since shooting first entered the modern Olympic games in 1896. China comes in at a distant second place with 67 total medals, 26 of them golds." CONTINUED
Claims regarding the number of undocumented defensive gun incidents in the United States of America have been around for a while now. It's important to keep one's attention on the word 'undocumented' or another sometimes used, 'unreported'. The number of actual instances is, and remains, a matter of conjecture, one upon which statistically-valid statements of validity [+/- figures at, say 95% probability,] are not possible. That said, there is the logically valid claim that more guns in a population will lead to more deaths within that population from gunshot. If there were no guns in the US. deaths from gunshot would be 0. That's the equivalent of the 0,0 point on a graph. Now consider the number of guns in the US and the number of gunshot deaths. Q.E.D. Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
there are about 400 million firearms in the USA and at least 100 million people who have instant access to firearms. less than 3000 murders each year are attributable to those who were not in violation of 18 USC 922 at the time the shooter acted. That is a statistically null amount of deaths. saying if there were no guns is as irrelevant as saying if there were no crazies or felonious minded mopes
Hi, Turtledude. The number I referred to was deaths by gunshot, not murders. They are not the same thing. The number given by Pew Research for the year 2021 is 48,830.* Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot. * Ref.: What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S. | Pew Research Center
the other deaths are not relevant to criminal statutes and since most are suicides, the consequences of violating a law are equally irrelevant
Hi again, Turtledude. How, pray tell, does that change the 48,830 lives cut short and the pain this has caused to relatives and friends of those killed? Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
well that is irrelevant for two reasons. 1) all the threads you start in an apparently effort to smear legal gun ownership, involve felonious uses of firearms and 2) Suicide is not a crime control issue nor is it a valid reason to deprive millions of gun owners of their constitutional rights since the only way a law deters "bad" behavior is the threat of punishment followed with incarceration and suicides are immune to that threat
Right. They aren't the same thing, but the anti-gunners always call that total number "gun violence" and that's a lie
Hi, WBK. Please note that I used, and use, the terms 'deaths by gunshot' and gunshot deaths', not 'gunshot violence. Nor do I specifically prescribe a specific 'remedy'. There are many far wiser than I who can busy themselves and do that. Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
Imagine the reaction you would get from a room full of rape survivors if you said the same thing about them as you did millions of people who are alive today because they happened to have a gun when it was most needed. See what happens when you tell those same rape survivors: "It's important to keep one's attention on the word 'undocumented' or another sometimes used, 'unreported'." as if their trauma was a fabricated attention getting ploy. Essentially, you are calling millions of Americans that you never met, "liars" because you hate and / or fear guns and don't want to admit that they have their legitimate uses. It is entirely your right to hate guns and refuse to have one in your house but it is not your right to deny others their 2nd Amendment rights and it is not ethical to accuse others of lying when you know none of the circumstances. Asserting that others who have used a firearm to defend themselves and / or others are fabricating millions of DGUs (Defensive Gun Uses) is as ludicrous as claiming that muggings don't happen. I hope that you're never the victim of a violent crime and I also hope that you'll be more supportive of those who chose to fight back. Thanks, (1). "Unpublished CDC Study Supports Claim Of Over 2 Million Yearly Defensive Gun Uses" http://truthinmedia.com/unpublished-cdc-study-2-million-yearly-defensive-gun-uses/ EXCERPT "Kleck’s controversial claims that there were more than 2.2 million defensive gun uses (DGUs) in the United States each year, has now been bolstered by the previously unpublished CDC study. In February 2015, Kleck doubled down his findings and noted that while there were plenty of critics of his work, none have been able to counter his findings with empirical evidence."CONTINUED
You included the numbers in a thread about a violent crime. Your inference is obvious. The anti-gunners are always using those numbers when referring to gun violence... https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
