Atheist Bible Study

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  1. Qchan

    Qchan Banned

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    No, it's not basic english comprehension when you start inserting words that weren't said. Anyway, you never know half about what you're talking about. We're done here.


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    Yep. Showing you a picture and saying, "This is what scientists now believe" is false. Uh huh.
     
  2. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    Shhhhh... Don't tell the LOTR/Star Trek/Star Wars/comic fans!
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    You could start by actually proving your assertions.

    Water trapped in a specific mineral =/= global flood that there is no evidence to suggest it actually happened
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's an extremely slow process, not something that can cause water to come gushing up to flood the earth. And again, the water would have had to "recede" back down into there afterwards.

    It is you who are (once again and as per usual) speaking out of ignorance.

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    This Qchan character comes off as the worst sort of troll.
     
  5. Vicariously I

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    Waterworld was such a bad movie that it has now become the main reason I argue against a global flood.
     
  6. Wolverine

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    I find him amusing. So sure of his bull(*)(*)(*)(*), yet, incapable of actually proving that water (that has probably been trapped in the mantle for millions.... probably billions of years) came from a flood that occurred a few thousand years ago.

    Further failing to provide any evidence that a flood occurred at all... and unwilling to remedy the blatant errors in Genesis....it is just a sign if intellectual bankruptcy of the highest order. Then runs away with "were'r done here". LOL
     
  7. Qchan

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    We have no idea how fast or slow the process is. Besides, the fact is, the water isn't trapped.

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  8. Wolverine

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    Where is the proof that the water is from the flood? LOL
     
  9. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    Most religious people???

    You must mean most religious people living in the western world in the last few decades. Tell me how did MOST religious people come to understand it is a morality story? The answer to this question invalidates your post in it's entirety.
     
  10. Vicariously I

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    The only reason there are Christians who no longer take the bible literally is because of the hammer blows of science and secularism. The irony in this post is that without our arguments and challenges there wouldn't be more reasonable Christians.
     
  11. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, but we do know. Volcanoes aren't exactly known for spewing out trillions of gallons of water in an eruption.

    lol!
     
  12. Qchan

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    You should've taken my advice and stopped talking.

    First off, the water isn't coming from volcanoes. Its coming from deep sea ocean springs.
     
  13. tkolter

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    I let loose the hammer of reason!

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

    Scientific facts are scientific facts if this event happened as stated in the Bible then all life on Earth including most sea life would be extinct that would be an Extinction Level Event [E.L.E.].
     
  14. Durandal

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    Not according to your link, it isn't. It's talking about water that is theoretically present hundreds of miles below the surface, far below any "deep sea ocean springs" you might imagine. There is no way that water, which isn't even in a liquid form at such a depth, is going to flow out to the surface of the earth. It would have to get through the hot mantle to do this.

    The earth would sooner be flooded with molten rock than with that water if that material could be brought up suddenly.
     
  15. Durandal

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    This is also true. At best, every surviving species on the planet today, assuming it didn't go extinct due to inbreeding, would exhibit clear signs of that genetic/population bottleneck. In fact, just two of any sexually reproducing species alive today would be incapable of establishing a viable population from a single pair.

    But hey, it's not like the bible's scribes had a clue about genetics, although they did at least recognise the problems associated with inbreeding. Funny that didn't occur to them when telling and recording this tale. I guess it wasn't important to the narrative.
     
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    Keep going there Hobbes.
     
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    Maybe it did, but they hadn't the means of pursuing any such ideas.

    The Egyptian medicine of the time, especially in anatomy was impressive for the age, and documents we have have advanced medicine throughout history.
     
  18. Oxymoron

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    1.We should respect their beliefs, but Atheist should not base their position on that minority of people.

    2. You are looking at the Bible through the lense of modern western literature and historical styles, Ancient story telling was more like Homer, where a learning exprience (morality themes) were more important then accuracy. Yet that does not mean Troy did not exist. So perhaps the world was not covered by a flood, perhaps it was a major local event. As far as what else in the Bible is myth, well I think the word myth is inaccurate.
     
  19. Vicariously I

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    No we should not respect their beliefs. In no other discourse would you even suggest this. If someone you meet on a first date or a job interview tells you they think Elvis is still alive that person would automatically pay a price, usually in ill concealed laughter. People who are willing to believe anything on no evidence what-so-ever are not deserving of respect unless they have a knife in their hand.

    Credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.

    As for the arguments we make, your inability to understand the context of the arguments within the overall debate does nothing to mitigate their effectiveness or worth. If the bible is just stories it says a lot about even the most liberal of convictions because it removes the last bastion of apologetic reasoning. You have no idea how Christian moderates came to be do you? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't more religion that made them less religious.

    You failed to understand the point he was making.

    Also the bible didn't just take off, people of the time laughed it off at first because Jesus sounded too much like the gods they had already known for hundreds even thousands of years. They had to tell people that the other gods were actually fictitious characters created by the devil so that when the real god came no one would believe it. After that it was a matter of the church forcing its will over people, even controlling the language of the bible to ensure over 90% of the people couldn't read it. Go read about what the church did when the bible was first translated into English and then tell me what ancient story telling was like.

    History paints a different picture than you do, the early believers didn't consider the bible some stories filled with learning experiences, it was the word of God and you would suffer in this life or the next for not accepting that, period. Secularism lead to deism and a more free scientific community which lead to the western style moderate Christianity people now pretend is Christianity in its true form, just a belief that does no harm. Moderates only exist because of the hammer blows religion has suffered due to the very lack of respect you are opposed to. Religion isn't just a personal belief, it makes claims about this world and those claims are getting all the respect they deserve.
     
  20. Swensson

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    I have never opposed criticism against Christianity, just the mindless arguments that were never going to lead anywhere.
     
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    You admit the world-wide flood was not real?

    What other word would you use for that story, if not "myth"? "Legend"? "Tall Tale"?

    And can that term be applied to other events in the Bible? If not...why not?

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    Quote Paul's Epistle to Titus 3:2
     
  22. Oxymoron

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    I think legend and myth have a certain meaning, and many people hear those words and think make believe. But like I mentioned, Homer wrote in a similar styles and we all know that Troy was found. So to answer your question, I believe the story is based on actual events of a large local flood, perhaps Black sea flood(conjecture).
     
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    What harm is brought upon the World, by believing in a literalist interpretation of Noah's story?

    Is this some sort of affront to intellectualism?

    Here's a newsflash...our secular public schools produce students who are ranked 26th among industrialized nations in math and science scores on global standardized tests. It's appalling how bad it is.

    Is the fundamentalist Christian somehow holding back the rest of the World from advancing? Really? I see so it's their fault the average American student educated in a secular environment, is basically stupid in comparison to the students from other industrialized nations.

    They are a societal scapegoat for what amounts to faux intellectualism from the militant atheist communtity...who feign scientific knowledge while employed as coffee baristas.

    I do not care if someone believes the tooth fairy leaves them a quarter under the pillow...it does not hurt me in any way.

    Me thinks thou protesteth too much.

    Yes we get your snickering..."can you believe those idiots think Noah was real and put all those animals on a wooden boat." Yeah we get the inside joke....now go back to your minimum wage jobs. Real intellectuals are too busy actually learning rather than deride another's beliefs.
     
  24. kronikcope

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    Do you for one second actually believe that, or was that a passive aggressive response to anyone who may criticize your particular set of beliefs? Taking the "everyone is a idiot that criticizes my religious beliefs" route seems like a childish way to shield yourself and protect your beliefs without engaging in an actual debate on the subject.

    Despite your opinion, I'm rather thankful when lies or a willful displays of ignorance are brought to attention.
     
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    Four of the top five nations in regards to education have non-Christian based societies, so it is not impossible that a Christian background is detrimental to childhood education. That should be studied.
     

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