Atheist Candidates Project with Aron Ra

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  1. wgabrie

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    I thought he was boasting about his Atheism, so a one issue candidate.
     
  2. fifthofnovember

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    I think he's talking about amending the Constitution.
     
  3. fifthofnovember

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    Hmm, well that certainly would be an unusual campaign because of its absolute dullness. But like I said, if you listen to what he says, he speaks on many issues. Maybe the title of the video gives the wrong impression.
     
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    I watched it. Well he's talking about bringing well paying jobs to Texas. LOL Texas is for low paying jobs. That's what the conservatives boast about. :p
     
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    So he wants to take things in a different direction. Will Texans decide that they would like higher paying jobs? I guess we'll see.
     
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    Yes, they were against designating an "official" state religion for the U.S. They were not against school prayer, or Christmas scenes displayed on public property, etc.
     
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    Texas will take any jobs. It's a pro-growth state. The future is here.

    Then there are the high tax, high regulation states. They're on a different path.
     
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    Good question. Allowing the masses to mess with individual rights and freedoms on the basis of a simple majority (50+1) was referred to as "Tyranny of the Majority".

    Every elected official has a simple majority mandate be it Federal, State or municipal Gov't. The whole point of putting individual rights and freedoms "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't was to limit the power of these elected officials.

    If they could just make law on the basis of simple majority there would be no point in putting individual rights and freedoms "above" the power of Gov't.

    The legitimate purview of Gov't extends "only" to actions which are injurious to others. This is the deal as per the social contract - contract by which the Gov't receives it's authority from "we the people".

    We gave Gov't that authority but also limited ONLY to what the "overwhelming majority" agrees with - issues of direct harm .. one person on another (Murder, rape, theft and so on).

    What percentage of people think murder or rape should be legal ? The bar is no different for any other law - or at least that is how our system is supposed to work. It does in fact work this way when it comes to a change in the constitution 75% of states are required. There are other things in which Congress is required to have a 2/3 majority.

    SCOTUS should all be fired for dereliction of duty - not interpreting the law and constitution as per the edicts of the declaration of independence - the principles on which this nation was founded. (and all other western democracies for that matter).

    We have fallen so far down the slippery slope we can no longer even see the mountain top. The founders set up a system by which the power of Gov't was supposed to be very limited. For 200 years Gov't has been trying to get that power back ... and they have succeeded.
     
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    Often humanism. Real morality is logically and contract based. Live and let live. Believing the Jesus zombie doctrine is not a moral value. Religion is just an example of a problematic belief system based upon faith. Other faith-based problematic belief systems include communism and nationalism. Faith is the enemy because it has no rational basis - it is a broken compass that points whatever direction powerful people want.
     
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    It should be seen as a plus, but not a basis in itself. Not having an imaginary friend to cater to whose presumed desires are based upon the morals of bronze age men is good, but the real question is whether they will promote effective policies.
     
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    So true ... to rise it up:

    Any possibility that any future US President does not blabber this idiotic "God bless America" to his people, because not believing into god officially?
    More likely that a Chinese becomes next US President!
     
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    The Establishment clause restricts the Federal govt. from setting up a specific Christian sect as a national govt. sponsoredreligion; it did not ban Christian anything from public buildings, and didn't prevent the individual states from having their favored sect, it meant that the Federal govt. couldn't favor the Anglican Church over say, the Methodists or Presbyterians in law and subsidies. The govt. was free to spend Federal funds on religious activities, like promoting Christianity or secular charities being done by religious groups and the like; Jefferson in fact subsidized more than one proselytizing expedition, including a Catholic one, as President. He also attended church services held in OMG OMG the Treasury bldg. in Washington, DC. ... 'Deists' were almost non-existent among the Founders, and in any case Deism is not atheism anyway, so that's a rather dumb and misleading 'talking point'.

    the last state to dis-establish its state favored sect was Massachusetts, in 1833 or so; the states who had them did so from demographic changes within the state, not Constitutional ones.

    The Establishment clause is in fact a one of three key platforms of ... drum roll here ... an EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN SECT in the first place.

    Don't know why these stupid myths keep popping up over and over and over again; must be because most 'atheists' can't read and avoid independent research, and aren't bright enough for that sort of activity. Apparently some think secularism =atheism; it doesn't.
     
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    I support various modern Communist models most involving some level of government control of major vital industrial sectors while incorporating market forces with businesses not government run but with government oversight and a respect for small businesses this is very much in keeping with American Communism.
     
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    Yes, the USC, the supreme law of the land, should take a 2/3rds vote to amend.
    Yet, I see the overreach by Federal judges has not been checked by Congress. No Fed Judge has every been impeached by disobeying obvious Constitutional Law. And it's high time they were.

    However, for day to day rulings in public courts, I think a simple majority vote is needed for all convictions, including capital cases. I also believe an odd number of jurors should be demanded so there is never a "hung jury."
     
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    You just proved my point from your ramblings. Thanks
     
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    :roflol:Oh please, everyone looks stupid when they insist that "their side" does no wrong. Christians do all of that in your list and you know it....kindness and charity and love of LIFE instead of HATING to support poor CHILDREN is part many atheist's lives....
     
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    This way when he loses he can claim to be persecuted by Christians and not because he ran a crappy campaign.
     
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    Funny how so many people think no atheist has ever been elected to public office.

    I'm sure even some Presidents have been atheist.

    Of course if they want to be elected they couldn't admit it....they just tacked on the totally ridiculous, assinine, and meaningless "God Bless America" after every speech and the dopes think he's christian......I bet there's even loyal Trump supporters who swear he's oh-so "Christian" because anything bad a Christian does is excused by other christians.....
     
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    Godless Atheists of course do not encourage moral behavior.
    When is the last time there was a Progressive Democrat political candidate in the US demand honest behavior?
    When have they demanded our youth:
    Don't lie
    Don't cheat
    Be accountable for their own actions, certainly when they are Black
    Support their own families and offspring???

    The underlying message we hear from the Progressive, Atheistic Left is "Do what you want, It's not your fault."
     
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    When has a President been the moral authority of our youth? A President is not our morals leader, and thank goodness for that since we now have a President who has made sexual comments about his own daughter. When has HE advocated "Don't LIE' , Don't cheat" ? He advocates FOR those things.

    Why do you propose parents abdicate their responsibilities and hand them to the President?

    Oh, and I noted the very RACIST comment, ""certainly when they are black".... I think racism is immoral...



    ...........everyone looks stupid when they insist that "their side" does no wrong. Christians do all of that in your list and you know it....kindness and charity and love of LIFE instead of HATING to support poor CHILDREN is part many atheist's lives....
     
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    No President in living memory has been more racist than Barak Obama. None.
    Obama demanded that Black children not be disciplined for their actions---just because of their ethnicity. Then demanded outcomes based on race.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama-backs-race-based-school-discipline-policies/

    Defend that bias, or give me more to :roflol: at.

    Unlike the racist (and traitor) Obama, at least President Trump is going to demand action in Black enclaves like Chicago, that murder so many and arrest so few. Time to take off the kid gloves.
     
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    :) I see you couldn't defend your RACIST statement so had to do the B-b-but Obama sidestep dance :)

    My posts stands:


    When has a President been the moral authority of our youth? NO ANSWER.


    A President is not our morals leader, and thank goodness for that since we now have a President who has made sexual comments about his own daughter. When has HE advocated "Don't LIE' , Don't cheat" ? He advocates FOR those things. NO RESPONSE.

    Why do you propose parents abdicate their responsibilities and hand them to the President? NO ANSWER.

    Oh, and I noted the very RACIST comment, ""certainly when they are black".... I think racism is immoral...



    ...........everyone looks stupid when they insist that "their side" does no wrong. Christians do all of that in your list and you know it....kindness and charity and love of LIFE instead of HATING to support poor CHILDREN is part many atheist's lives....
     
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    Where are the parent(s)? in Chicago hoods? Lucky to find one parent. Traditional nuclear families are such a rarity there that they don't bother mentioning.

    You are correct it should be the parents instilling moral values first, and foremost. But families in such places are broken messes.

    And it is the racist Blacks in places like the Chicago hoods who bear almost all the blame. They won't convict those of their own race, because they feel like they are entitled supervictims, and also believe their own family gang members should seek "justice/revenge" and not the authorities.

    Chicago is a moral cesspool created by and inhabited by progressives.

    And there you go....
     
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    I see you couldn't defend your RACIST statement so had to do the B-b-but Obama sidestep dance :)

    NOW it's B-But BLACK PEOPLE....


    My posts stands:

    When has a President been the moral authority of our youth? NO ANSWER.


    A President is not our morals leader, and thank goodness for that since we now have a President who has made sexual comments about his own daughter. When has HE advocated "Don't LIE' , Don't cheat" ? He advocates FOR those things. NO RESPONSE.

    Why do you propose parents abdicate their responsibilities and hand them to the President? NO ANSWER....except for more racism....

    Oh, and I noted the very RACIST comment, ""certainly when they are black".... I think racism is immoral...



    ...........everyone looks stupid when they insist that "their side" does no wrong. Christians do all of that in your list and you know it....kindness and charity and love of LIFE instead of HATING to support poor CHILDREN is part many atheist's lives....
     
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    To help end your broken record:

    The cure for the nation’s problems, advised Mr. Lincoln in the Lyceum speech, was respect for the nation’s law: “Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others. As the patriots of seventy-six did to the support of the Declaration of Independence, so to the support of the Constitution and Laws, let every American pledge his life, his property, and his sacred honor;– let every many remember that to violate the law, is to trample on the blood of his father, and to tear the [charter] of his own, and his children’s liberty. Let reverence for the laws, be breathed by every American mother, to the lisping babe, that prattles on her lap – let it be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; – let it be written in Primmers, spelling books, and in Almanacs; – let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the political religion of the nation; and let the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and conditions, sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.” 11 Political philosopher Harry V. Jaffa wrote: “The Lyceum speech is designed, as the whole idea of political salvation implies, to give force to the one practical proposal of the Lyceum speech; namely, the proposal for a ‘political religion.'”12 The law was a persistent theme in Lincoln’s public discourse. Historian Kenneth J. Winkle observed: “Throughout Lincoln’s rhetoric and later his policy on both slavery and antislavery ran a profound commitment to do everything possible to enforce the law.
    http://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom...depth/abraham-lincolns-values-and-philosophy/

    John Adams
    John Adams was schooled at Harvard and was a lawyer. John Adams is responsible for urging the United States to take a lead in the development of the arts and sciences through the establishment of a national university, the financing of scientific expeditions, and the erection of an observatory. His critics declared such measures transcended constitutional limitations.[a] John Adams is another man that never hid his Christian faith. He was actually the first President, in a letter to his wife, to ask a blessing on the White House – not only for himself, but for all who followed him as well, here is what he wrote:

    “Before I end my letter, I pray Heaven to bestow the best of Blessings on this House and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise Men ever rule under this roof.”

    To support the claim that our nation was founded on Christian principles, read what he wrote here:

    “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”[4]



    Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/christian-presidents-10-leaders-known-for-their-faith/#ixzz4bFXnlSy4
     

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