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Likely a few did back then but were smart enough not to do it in public. Times and mentality of course have changed like everything else, but the concept of a God has not for some.

 

Most likely the exceptions to that rule have all slipped your mind.

 

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Someone asked me for real life examples as opposed to online atheists. I didn't claim to be an expert. You guys can't stop with the personal attacks, and we haven't even gotten into the merits of atheism.

 

That's one possibility. The other is that the atheists I run into happen to be unpleasant people.

 

I'm not mentally retarded, nor am I a toddler. I'm just responding to questions posed to me in the thread.

I'm not screaming. The atheists I meet are angry, sarcastic, bitter people who cannot explain why it is important to be good. Most don't recognize the term "morality." If you're an atheist and you're different, that's fine with me, but you seem upset already.

 

It's not my problem that the atheists I personally encounter have no respect for religion and don't subscribe to any coherent moral code that they can articulate.

 

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Weren't you just saying that Atheists say the nastiest stuff online, yet you are the only onw being super-bigoted in this thread. Toddler rapers? Wtf.

I would never say anything like you just said about Christians. I don't have anything against Christians at all. My family has many Christians and many Atheists as well. I can discuss religion pretty civilly with everyone.

I rather like a lot of the things Jesus said. I'm pretty sure he wouldnt of said that without him, it would be a bunch of retarded toddler raping.

If that statement made any sense, then you'd see a higher murder rate or rape rate by atheists. But thats not true at all. So your hypothesis of morality being tied to a belief in God is clearly false. Where is any evidence for that at all.

 

I have a moral code. I dont lie, I don't steal, I help people who can help, I constantly improve myself. I stay true to my word.

This life stuff isn't that hard.

 

I'm in utah. So whenever you can get here.

 

Over the last decade and a half or so I must have debated hundreds of atheists online, often on avowedly nontheist forums, two of which were essentially unmoderated; and I talked to plenty of atheists who didn't obey your rule.

 

Will we all be invited to the wedding?

 

Atheists are good people because they KNOW that is the right thing to be in our society.

Theists are only good people because they are SCARED of what will happen to them after they die if they are not good.

That is the explanation that you were looking for but won't accept because it will trigger your confirmation bias.

 

Theists proselytize their moral code that they never practice while atheists just practice their moral code without the need to articulate it.

 

theists and atheists behave in very similar ways with respect to morality. Some proselytize their moral codes, others are fairly quiet about them. Some are articulate, some are inarticulate. Some spend a lot of time ensuring that their code is structured consistent and coherent. Others go with a series of gut responses to situations they encounter. Some depend a wide array of primary sources to inform them on ethics and morality. Others stick with one two or three primary sources. What is most important is that they actually have a desire to behave morally, and pay some attention to what that little conscience voice that they have developed, is telling them. Whether you decide not to steal from your friend's wallet because
a. the Bible told you not to,
b. because it contradicts Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative,
c. because your Grandmother would be ashamed if she were alive, or
d. because you know he needs his money to buy his HIV medications, really does not matter to me much. I have a sneaking suspicion that most of us will not take his money for more than one reason, listening to more than one source in our lives or our past. Maybe you don't take because A and D, or A and C or B and C. As long as the money stays in his wallet, I am content that society will not disintegrate as fast as if it did.

 

Glad to hear it.

 

Have A Nice Day

 

I don't say that you don't. I say that I haven't heard a compelling reason to behave morally that is consistent with atheism.

If you have a moral code, you believe in right and wrong. Not only do you not lie or steal, you believe that it is wrong (not just off-putting) for others to do so. Agree?

 

You too.

 

I think you're the second or third person in the thread claiming I suggested that atheists are indifferent to moral issues. I didn't, or at least that wasn't the intent. If you're fair you'll agree that I didn't.

I do say that they/we can't simultaneously 1) denounce behavior that I'm sure we both think is "wrong" and 2) claim that there is no moral imperative in the world. It's incoherent.

And if there is behavior that is universally and always wrong, then there is something that makes it so and tells us so, and it isn't a flying spaghetti monster or a unicorn.

On edit, I'll stipulate that the ancients wrestled with this same question and invented the word "God " or "the gods" to identify bith the cause or source of the cosmos and the reason that we feel this moral imperative. But it's a serviceable word and makes more sense to me than does the notion that everything is random and purposeless.

If you've got a better answer, I'd like to hear it.

 

What problem are you having with the morality of always doing what is right?

Why does one have to "believe" in anything else?

Either you do the right thing or you don't.

This isn't rocket science.

 

Society defines right and wrong.

Name the atheists who are claiming that "there is no moral imperative in the world"?

 

Interesting , being smart is not questioning publicly....but those who believe in the supernatural should be able to have the public forum

 

Explain this (what you wrote )...”And if there is behavior that is universally and always wrong, then there is something that makes it so and tells us so, and it isn't a flying spaghetti monster or a unicorn.”
How do you know it isn’t a unicorn? Why is there something supernatural that tells us some behavior is wrong

 

You sound like a parent telling a child that if they don’t behave morally Santa Claus won’t come. Do you think a child only behaves because of Santa Claus? What does atheism have to do with behaving morally or not behaving morally? Because we don’t fear the supernatural you believe we wouldn’t be

 

Will have to call off the wedding because I couldn’t live in a red state