Atheist Group Seeks to Block Star of David on Holocaust Memorial

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  1. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    It's literally the last line of Volume I, Chapter II. Kind of surprised that you missed it.
     
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    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    What religious symbol is used on the Statue of Liberty?
     
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    Give me the german text. And I'm by the way unbelivebale angry meanwhile.
     
  4. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    I don't have the German text, I don't speak German. Go look up any PDF version of the book and go to the last line of Chapter II. Why don't YOU give me the German text since you claimed to have the German version of the book?
     
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    WTF does Ohio need with a Holocaust™ memorial? If the atheists had any real scruples they would have objected to the entire "memorial".

    Read THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY, all my fellow anti progressives. Jews will not be satisfied until the entire gentile world is supplicating before them in collective guilt.
     
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    Found this German version of it with this line at the end of Volue 1, Chapter II:

    So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden
    erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herrn.

    Google translate basically matches what GraspingForPeace says of it.
     
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    Except the Statue of Liberty isn't an endorsement of ancient Roman religion...
     
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    Wait, are you admitting that it's fair to compare Christianity (and other religions) as myth? Most Christians I've talked to draw some kind of distinction between mythology and current religions. Is that not the case for you?
     
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    Forget it - its anyway completly superflues what Hitler said.
     
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    Nor is a Holocaust memorial
     
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    Thread can't be too boring can it?
     
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    If there is an expectation of freedom of religious symbols, it must include all symbols, or are atheists only interested in targeting the things that will cause the most amount of uproar? Why does the Lady Liberty or Lady Justice get a free pass, while the Star of David becomes the center of legal action
     
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    Do you mean superfluous? And if you did, how is it superfluous?

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    Nobody is saying the memorial is, but the star of David is specifically being used to represent Jews and Judaism. The Statue of Liberty is representing the concept of Liberty, not a pagan religion.
     
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    What symbol would you like them to use, a pretzel?
     
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    This most likely their hobby.
     
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    Why do they need a symbol in the first place?
     
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    Good grieve - the google translator a joke - why is he translating this text correct? Whatever: Got it - the context is:

    ----

    Siegt der Jude mit Hilfe seines marxistischen Glaubens-
    bekenntnisses über die Völker dieser Welt, dann wird seine
    Krone der Totentanz der Menschheit sein, dann wird
    dieser Planet wieder wie einst vor Jahrmillionen menschen-
    leer durch den Äther ziehen.

    Die ewige Natur rächt unerbittlich die Übertretung ihrer
    Gebote.

    So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers
    zu handeln: I n d e m ich mich des Juden erwehre,
    kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herrn.

    -----

    Has nothing to do with the christian religion. Hitler spoke here abhout a fight of Darwinism (nature) against Marxism-Leninism. He's using antisemitic cliches and relgious phrases, that's all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fToY0ExPs4I
     
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    I don't think this whole thing is a big deal. The historical context seems to more than overshadow any potential interpretation that it's an endorsement of religion. Much like how the symbol of the Ten Commandments on the Supreme Courthouse doors is not religious in intent, but rather as an historic symbol of law.

    Anyway, regarding the Statue of Liberty and Lady Justice, there is no risk of the state being seen as endorsing ancient Roman or Greek religions. Literally no one worships Roman or Greek gods. That is not the case with modern religions.
     
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    Soooo... we should probably get rid of all the religious symbols at Arlington National Cemetery? I mean it's a memorial on public land too.
     
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    You can request any religious symbol be put on your tombstone, that isn't a violation of the First Amendment since there is no endorsement of a specific religion.

    news-arlington-pagans-3-ss-662w-e1328031786331.jpg

    Here's a pagan symbol on one of the stones.
     
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    Since you don't live there, it ain't nunayer damn bidness one way 'r t'other, hth.
     
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    or what he believed, he perverted everything he touched, even Christianity

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    How did he pervert Christianity?
     
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    But you see my point. A religious symbol is a religious symbol.

    I dont see the placing of a Star Of David on a memorial to Jews any more a problem than Lady Justice in front of a court house. The Ohio governor spending $100,000 to put a giant crucifix on the state library would be something for people to challenge
     

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