Atheist vs Theist

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  1. Injeun

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    I like the way you think. ;-)
     
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    And atheists are merely pessimists on steroids, aren't they?
     
  3. Injeun

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    Or overly emotional agnostics, robed in stoic pretense.
     
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    What I love most about God is that he does not rush or appear to catch and judge anyone, no matter their degree of regress. Onward goes our lives, nested, watered and fed, while the earth follows its set course, and we all choose our deviations. Do we make our own small voice and light coming from within and from without, ever plying us to restitution and homecoming? Have we evolved to this separation, or are we lured away? We command ourselves, and standing upon a loyal earth, say there is no great commander. I don't understand Atheists. They reason and stand statuesque as it were, commanding to be imbued with life to confess of God. Yet they live and say not.
     
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    My bold.
    This is the point about god, he/she/it actually does nothing at all, no matter what the situation. Priests, rabbis, imans do all sorts of thing but never get chastised, except by us, and pandemics go along their way, fought by us without any help from the almighty, despite the prayers of millions. You would almost think that there is no god at all, wouldn't you?
     
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    Yes, by all appearance, I agree. And were he real and alive, then by his absence and silence, one would assume, that it would be to mans divine consecration, and our days those of mercy and bliss, knower and unknower alike. It would mean that he upholds and bears us all, giving a measure of credence to all the arguments and reasoning and doubts of his existence. It is a puzzle for people like me who profess that he lives. Yet by his absence he shores up the Atheist and appears to disavow those who give voice to his existence. So we are made to appear as lunatics, crackpots, or given to vain imaginings. To me there is no fault in it by which we are measured by Atheists and Agnostics. Their measure is as fair and natural as a sun warmed thermal. And I could no more fault their conclusions than expect the blind to behold yonder horizon, were appearance the measure of things. I love Gods judgments and all that he does. He sees our hearts. I am thrilled to appear alone and to know that I am not. I grow accustomed to the heat. All that I say of God, is to Atheists, held in suspicion, the continuance of a fairy tale or fictitious novel. Yet there is something familiar about it as if it could be in owing to the life of another man. What has set him off so cracked, they wonder. What is the nexus....brain tumor, bad childhood, Bible scriptures, mineral deficiency? It must be something that can be ferreted out, untangled and measured. Because it cannot possibly be that silent and unseen God who cannot be reduced to science. What is it then?
     
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    It's childhood conditioning, that's all. As someone once said, give me the boy and you can have the man. And it's very true. I was lucky to only get a weak strain of the virus, so I was able to throw it off easily. Others are not so fortunate.
    But rational thought is spreading, more and more people are thinking for themselves, especially in the developed nations, so eventually we shall be rid of the curse of religion.
     
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    I was not raised in a religious home. The only times we went to Church were for Marriages and funerals. I had no religion.
     
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    In that case you have no excuse for allowing it to pollute your mind.
     
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    Polluted compared to what. What is your benchmark for purity?
     
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    <Rule 2> women's looks can be superior. Certainly not always. There are some brutally ugly women, no? But, to women, men look superior, no? <Rule 2>
    Once again, you replace God with science. You want to prove God as you would prove the moon is cheese. For thousands of years, we thought it wasn't possible to prove the moon isn't cheese. Until we were able to have faith and realize we could touch the moon. It is possible to prove God exists if you use the same faith. God will manifest a way for you to come to know God and that God lives. But, it won't be through science or repeatable evidence. For, God does not require this and actually requires to know Him through faith and good works.
     
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    One would think that to address a divine God who is the creator of all things in the natural world, that one would humble oneself, put oneself away, and seek God in prayer, were ones intentions sincere. But to demand measurable proof of his existence is akin to decreeing from a lofty throne that God be brought before him like a slave to be queried. Odd how some act like a God and then mock the very concept of one. Granted that the nature of this life and mankind in general necessitates a strong personal constitution for survival. But it stands to reason that one also maintain a certain flexibility to accommodate changing circumstances or for the sake of investigation and the increase of understanding and knowledge. Prayer to God I think would meet that measure. But it all depends upon ones sincerity of heart.
     
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