Attack Against Christendom

No need to make it up, homosexuality is condemned throughout the Bible. Jesus never mentioned incest either. God, who created sex, intended it as part of a life long marriage relationship between one man and one woman.

True, homosexual activity, as opposed to feelings, is wrong for all people. Tens of millions of people have died trying to prove otherwise by AIDS and other STDs. It's almost as if God knew what He was talking about.

Trump isn't marching in the street saying adultery is OK.

You're confusing the Jewish dietary and ceremonial laws intended for the now defunct theocracy of Israel with the eternal moral law. I believe all the 10 Commandments, and prohibitions of homosexuality, were reinforced in the NT. Context is everything, see Galatians. The very term NT means New Covenant, which was predicted in the OT.

Neither did incest or bestiality. We're wrapped up in homosexuality because that is the point in our present age where God's truth is most under attack. It is the same lie Satan used in the Garden of Eden, "Did God really say.......?" Martin Luther said if you preach the Gospel except the one controversial area of your time you're not really preaching the Gospel.

No Christian is campaigning to legitimize those things.

As for Trump, he is doing more to uphold Christian values (why the left hates him, IMHO) then any POTUS since Reagan. His personal foibles aside, I'm talking about opposition to late-term abortion (a reasonable position supported by most Americans), his opposition to forcing religious institutions to pay for contraceptives and abortificients, his progress in ensuring other religious freedoms, and his restoration of Christmas in the face of Grinches who don't want to mention it.

I don't know if he's a Christian, but God isn't limited to working through Christians.

 

They don't just want toleration, they want validation from all, it will never happen. If gays say they want tolerance but don't tolerate opposing views, then THEY are the intolerant ones.

 

I would like to do this without legal impediment.... except in so far as other laws exist that are not targeted at only our private lives which people like you consider sinful

 

When you define sinful, you entail what many of us believe are precepts put in place by an infinite God. By definition, those precepts never change. Those precepts are to be instilled in the hearts of men and women. Laws will never accomplish that. So.....you now have the law defending your practices. It is now your goal to eraser our faith?? It has stood the test of time. You think you will get us to bend to what we see as a deviant practice?

 

We have already gone over the many so called precepts that are casually ignored

The precepts always change.,.. we eat bacon and shellfish
We casually take the lords name in vain
We don’t stone people
We bear false witness against other
Adultery is rampant in our society... as is premarital sex and masturbation and divorce
Let’s not get all self righteous about the precepts and how they never change

and THERE IS the crux of the matter, friend. ... it is what “YOU SEE AS DEVIANT”
It is not what is in the Bible... because we can exhaustively show that mostly people do not give an excrement about paying attention to what is in the Bible p.... I have done so above

the absolute fact is that people use the Bible as a crutch to sanctify their prejudices. If you look back at the slavers of the old south.... they were vehemently Christian, and used the Bible as their crutch to validate their actions. The same is true of centuries of the most vicious anti semitism... and burning witches, and the inquisition, and the conquistadors.... all of this obvious evil was justified by self righteous Christians with elaborate justifications they. culled from the Bible. At every turn, these evils were excused with exactly the same sort of self righteous selectivity that you now apply to gays

the simple fact is that the Bible is not responsible for your homophobia....ITS YOU, ITS YOUR CHOICE.
There are, and always have been homophobes with or with out religion. Even if the Bible said nothing on this topic.... you would still think them to be deviants

and let’s be clear, the Bible only rarely addresses this issue at all.... which gives some indication of the relative importance of the issue in the Bible, the Bible certainly emphasizes it less than you do. And the things that the Bible DOES emphasize are things that most Christians (especially trump and his supporters) callously, enthusiastically ignore. So when you get all up in arms about how you cannot ignore this insignificant issue.... I am seeing a flagrant homophobe, not a particularly devote Christian.

 

Is lust the only form of love you know of?

 

So......you say "you and other don't give an excrement" about what is in the Bible, and then again you say "It is not what is in the Bible." You lose all credibility. Why are you even concerned whether or not it is in the Bible? Something really has you bothered.
I don't spend my days worrying about homosexual activity. I stand by my faith that the Bible tells me the best way to live. I'd like to share that with others but realize there are those, as yourself, that violently oppose the fact that there is a Source outside of ourselves that suggest a better way to live. As scripture says "it is a Rock of Offence " to you. Granted, there are a lot of more important things in Scripture than the sin of homosexual behavior. In fact, there is equally as much about other sins. What is most important to me is how to live in the Liberty Christ has called us to. Don't expect Believers in the Word to embrace the behavior you promote. Just go on practicing it if that is your desire but don't promote it to us or our children. That's all.

 

Love does in no way entail fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. You get them confused.

 

I am not the one projecting for guilt, you are, now answer the question.

 

I am not at all concerned what is in the Bible
Other than the fact that so many people reference the Bible to self righteously validate otherwise baseless ideas

Yes, I dislike sanctification of hatred

Great, neither do I

Great fo you.... let’s each live our life as is legal and as we think appropriate

So, given trumps record.... do you support him... or forgive him
If trump was otherwise perfect.... but was gay..., how would you feel about him

Humm, I do not remember that part of Jesus teaching..., do you have a bible verse to share

Neither do I expect your embrace.... toleration to let me live my life in the liberty of Christ would be fine by me

funny how on one hand you object to a non existent demand about how you should live your own life.... and yet you have very strong opinions about how I should live my life

. Fine by me.... and hopefully you will not promote your anti science ideas to me or my children

 

No I do not, but thanks for offering your opinion
Maybe I will give my own opinions

 

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I will not fully spell the word for an absolute objectified "g-d" because it commits the sin of idolatry. Kyklos

Then you must be aware of the need for the money changers at the temples. Since Roman coins had images of their Emperors, it would be a sin for the coins to be inside.

Yes, the changers were profiting, but the function was required.

 

I don't project guilt at all. You and others take it upon yourselves. I just don't embrace your behavior. What is your problem?

 

I will gladly do that.....
Standfast therefore in the liberty where Christ has set us free, but be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage, for bretheren we have been called unto liberty only use not liberty as an occasion to serve the flesh but by love, serve one another..... The guilt you seem to feel , is a form of bondage. No one projects that on you. It is internal.

 

You might say he was the only Messianic Jew.

 

I have strong opinions as to what is best for the "culture".....however I am a realist and understand the need for others to pursue their own appetites.

 

Galatians 5:1 (thank you google)

 

here is the problem
I asked for the teaching of Jesus
You provided the teaching of someone who never met Jesus...
That is not confirmation of the teaching of Jesus
For that matter.... Paul does not even claim it as a teaching of jesus

 

My behavior is minding my own damn business and not judging how other people live because my wife and I do not like it being done to us via shytheads who feel they need the world to ape themselves.

 

So conquer and divide.That is the game. You want to pick and choose the Word of God while Believers take it in it;s entirety. In fact, you discount the Word as "excrement" on the one hand but you hold the teachings of Jesus as superior to Paul's. It is one divine spirit.
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The behavior you promote is not minding your own business.

 

Ditto. Making an aver is not judging.

 

Paul met Jesus on his Damascas road conversion experience.

Nonsense, see Gal. 1:11-12, one of several places where Paul says his teaching is from Jesus:

1 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

Jesus would have said to a repentant homosexual the same thing He told the woman caught in adultery, "Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more."

 

No problem, we aren't voting for pastor. Tammy Bruce is a gay woman I would vote for if she ran for office.

 

Sorry, I do not know whom I divide, or whom I conquer

You do he same since you reject the Koran
That said
I was clear about my inquiry into what Jesus taught.

What is in the Bible is the agreement of mankind, not god

I recall using that word, but not describing the Bible as excrement

Yeah, it’s triue...for the religion of CHRISTIANITY, I think. It is fair to value the words of Christ as most authoritative .... just as many people value the constitution over the federalist papers