Attack Against Christendom

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  1. Kyklos

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    Would it be best now to "stop ringing the fire alarm"?

    American oligarchs have always used religion to divide and rule its population and today is no different as we watch the rise of fascism initially in the fundamentalist Christian churches and then taking power over all societal life. As in the past, official State Christianity is embracing fascism with all the original self-righteous justifications. So we should help make the dividing line clearer for He has already drawn it. Like Kierkegaard, we are not really sounding the alarm, but rather trying to set the fire of condemnation of that Whore of Babylon named Christendom -- a Great Insult to Him, that makes Him a Fool.

    And it is the role and duty of New Testament Christians to obey the laws of reason even if it is incendiary.
    Heteronomous forces have always been present. Christ himself was the ‘outside’ heteronomous force against the massive state religious superstructure of organized religion of his day...that is why secular and religious Autonomous (Law) forces murdered Him with other Christians that imitated Jesus. When the established paradigm has lost its ability to give meaning to human existence, and its voice is emptied of credibility and truth, it must be overthrown—like a lethal virus this current demonic Christian pattern must be removed from the Body of Christ.
    Let me say it clearly for it must be said...from the outside: H.W. Bush is not a Christian, but the architect of the American/Contra Inquisition of Latin American Catholic Christians who were sexually mutilated to death by American hired mercenaries. Even after all of these decades American Churches--even the CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT PUBLICLY AND LOUDLY CONDEMNED THE MASS TORTURE AND MURDER OF CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS IN LATIN AMERICA.

    During Kierkegaard’s time Danish law prohibited anyone but a Christian citizen from keeping a whorehouse. Today New Testament Christians face the same culture absurdities of American Christendom and its secular expression as American fascism.
    In 1989 six Jesuit priests and two women (one was 15 years old) were brutally assassinated at the Central American University in El Salvador by Salvadoran soldiers trained and supplied George H.W. Bush.

     
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    They were probably actively aiding the Communists in that conflict.
     
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    In the fairy tale Jesus is a lying lunatic. But he didn't exist. Paul made him up to sell his resurrection religion.
     
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    There were no "Communists" in that conflict. Stop making up nonsense and pretending you know what you are talking about.
     
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    With the funeral of George H.W. Bush the subversive contents of memory began to bubble to the surface of the systematic persecution by the American backed Contra Death Squads of over 250,000 Latin Americans many of whom were Catholic Christian peasants that were tortured and buried in mass graves.

    In reviewing this crime against humanity, I found and posted an interview of journalist Allan Nairn who was in El Salvador and Guatemala during the 1980s American-Contra Inquisition and described how the death squads collected people of small villages then executed hundreds at a time. Remember Ronald Reagan said, “I am a Contra!”
    "Journalist Allan Nairn: Reagan Was Behind “One Of The Most Intensive Campaigns Of Mass Murder In Recent History." I vaguely remember Allan Nairn. In less than two hours afterwards while checking the Chris Hedges “On Contact” program archive, I found Allan Nairn as a guest interviewee! What a coincidence! I think.

    With understanding the terror of the American/Contra Inquisition, the scales fall from our eyes. Remember the history of African-Americans in chattel slavery, the racist isolationist pre-World War II vigilante hangings of African-Americans, and the assassination of Baptist Minister Martin Luther King. The racist pattern re-emerges throughout our own history: a specified unpopular population is transferred-- directly or indirectly, voluntarily or involuntarily--to a defined place (Ghettos, Plantation, Camp), continued subjection of the subordinated people with violence, and then possibly extermination of dissidents, or the entire targeted population. Jay Gould, the 19th Century American railroad speculator, once boosted, "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." In today’s insidious version of Neoliberal totalitarianism every step is monetized.

    And yet some still proclaim, “America is a Christian Nation!” It is not New Testament Christianity, but rather “Christendom” that is the official ideology of America. “Christendom” is only a semblance of New Testament Christianity and only shows outward, or surface appearance, or misleading appearance-- it appears a something that it is not. The object in this instance is an imposter.

    Philosophy as Negative Dialects seeks to reveal the internal contradictions of a concept and from those exposed antithetical elements we gain insight into the object’s true being. Socially sanctioned rationality demands coherence, which is the norm of correctness. “It seems that the coherence of rational experience is a precondition of our ability to reconstruct it rationally”(Adorno's Negative Dialectic: Philosophy and the Possibility of Critical Rationality by Brian O'Connor, p. 28).

    This week’s column by Chris Hedges, “The Heresy of White Christianity” reviews the writings of Black Theologian of Liberation James Hal Cone (1938 – 2018 ) known as the founder of Black Liberation Theology, and was the Bill and Judith Moyers Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary. Dr. Cone’s theology of liberation gives voice to the suffering of oppressed peoples, their existential alienation, and exposes the moral contradictions of American Christian Theology.

    Dr. Cone wrote, “Any theology in America that fails to engage white supremacy and God’s liberation of black people from that evil is not Christian theology but a theology of the Antichrist.” One interpretation of the word “AntiChrist,” is that it does not simply mean in opposition to Christ (Anti-nonchrist), but in opposition to Christ yet appearing as the Holy (Antichrist). The Antichrist only has the semblance of orthodoxy (from Greek ὀρθοδοξία, ortho meaning “right, or straight,” and doxía meaning “opinion”).

    There is some Black existentialist writers. In fact, Black existential philosophy was an important influence in the South African anti-apartheid movement based on the thought of Steve Bantu Biko who was influenced by philosopher Frantz Fanon particularly. This area of philosophy is fertile ground for exploring the Lifeworld of African-Americans in modern advanced capitalism and the meaning of authentic and inauthentic existence in its social totality. Also, there are Black poets that write of modern alienation such as artist Maxwell Fraser who performs with "Faithless - Insomnia."

    Frantz Fanon: The Phenomenology of Racism

    Dr. Fanon studied under the famous French phenomenological philosopher, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and was influenced by French existentialist Jean Paul Sartre. Dr. Fanon became a psychiatrist in 1951 and then published his first book in 1952, Black Skin, White Masks, which was originally titled, Essay on the Disalienation of the Black.” Dr. Fanon studied the damaging psychological effect of colonial racism on Black people. As a young man Dr. Fanon knew the horrors of colonial racism having been born in the French Caribbean colony of Martinique and witnessed first hand the Algerian revolution of 1954 from France resulting in 1.5 million deaths.

    Fanon argues that it is not race that produces racism, but racism that produces race. Racism is a social construct of specific socio-economic conditions that distorts the way black and white people see one another, and themselves—their very self-image has been systematically mutilated by external social influences. This distortion unconsciously blocks recognition between persons. Racism objectifies the other person by reducing them to a “thing,” through pre-constructed stereotypes. “Thingification” leads to the psychic phenomenon of alienation between persons by changing their very being. Black men and women are forced to exist in a zone of instrumental “non-being” (Chattel) according to Fanon. Human beings desire recognition from the Other, and when this possibility for recognition is distorted, short-circuited, or denied, it creates a sense of inferiority that the victim internalizes as self-blame.

    Fanon’s critique of Black consciousness is derived from Jean Paul Sartre’s theory of consciousness as nothingness (not-a-thing), which in turn was borrowed and refined from Husserl’s theory of consciousness as intentionality. I reviewed this theory of consciousness in post #24,“Absolute Consciousness.” Fanon describes the Lifeworld of Blacks in society and then ontologically re-interprets his experience based on his understanding of being. Description necessarily interprets phenomena--there is no pure phenomenology. This process of re-interpretation of ordinary experience is called the hermeneutical circle. In the thread “What is Husserlian Phenomenology?” I have named this re-seeing process, “paradigm induction.” By reinterpreting his world experience, new insight is gained into the structure of the object.

    Fanon’s analysis has its philosophical origin in Heidegger’s Dasein Analytic found in Being and Time (1927). The ordinary unauthentic mode of human existence is called by Heidegger “everydayness,” or “unownedness” which is unmindful of its finitude. This is opposed to Dasein’s authentic mode called, “Self-owning” that recognizes its own eventual death.
    Fanon seeks to expose this false paradigm of racism that suppresses the primordial human condition of intersubjectivity that motivates human beings to socially connect. Intersubjectivity rejects the “myth of the isolated minds,” (George Atwood) and instead accepts experience of the world as available to both oneself and others as shareable laying the basis of objectivity itself (Edmund Husserl). Borrowing from Hegel, Fanon holds that our sense of selfhood is only obtained by recognition from others (Master/Slave in Hegel’s “Phenomenology of Spirit”). We have a sense of our personhood by the acknowledgement from others in a community of humanity. Racism destroys intersubjectivity and denies communal interaction is all forms. Fanon believed change in the social-economic condition of the human community is necessary, but it is not a sufficient condition to erase racism. There must also be an internal transformation of individuals that overcomes the objectification, or thingification of human beings in order to truly defeat racism. This transformation requires spiritual experience.

    Another resource about Frantz Fanon: The KPFA Radio program “Against The Grain” (March 28, 2016) interviewed Dr. Peter Hudis, (Professor. B.A. in English and History, Queens College, New York and M.A. in Latin American Studies, California State University, Los Angeles).

    “Like a soul without a mind
    In a body without a heart
    I'm missing every part.”
    --Massive Attack: Unfinished Sympathy
     
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    Hey! Somebody likes me and got a trophy....somewhere! That is amazing since I can be a jerk sometimes. Thank you so much and I mean it seriously.

    Someone once said religion is the opiate of the people. And someone else said that Christianity is Platonism for the people.

    Yes, religion is a very powerful opiate indeed...which we need. The influence on Christianity by Platonism is only a problem of imbalance, of over emphasis.



    "Mother Heroic"


    Oh, thou that bowest thy ecstatic face
    Thy perfect sorrows are the world's to keep

    Wherefore onto thy knee
    Come weep with a prayer

    Oh, thou that bowest thy ecstatic face
    Thy perfect sorrows are the world's to keep

    Wherefore onto thy knee
    Come weep with a prayer

    Mother heroic, mother glorious
    Beholding in thy eye, immortal tears

    Oh, thou that bowest thy ecstatic face, oh​
     
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    Rev. William Barber just roasted Tennessee Governor BIll Lee to his face. It looks like this Pentecostal preacher is a little upset. G-d help the Governor. Good for Rev. William Barber--my kind of non-corporatized preacher! His best line, " I'm too old to play!"

    "The classical saint of Christianity mortified his body for the salvation of the souls of the masses; the modern, educated saint mortifies the bodies of the masses for the salvation of his own soul" Karl Marx, Antichurch Movement—Demonstration in Hyde Park (1855).

     
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    Yes, Strange phenomenon! While I was writing, a transcendental being appeared to me! Maybe she is an angel. She was playing a harp-- so beautifully, so magnificently!

    ...I bet when she writes a letter or something, she never makes a spelling error!

     
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    Not sure why scripture meant to offer salvation, needs to be detoxified.
     
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    The ultimate act of love would to not have punished a man creation with eternal torment in the 1st place.
    When this Omniscient creator knew the outcome of said creation, before creation.
    Why the need for all the drama to do right, which should have been right in the 1st place.
     
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    I always said Christianity was written by lawyers.
     
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    1st off there is no such thing as love without the possibility of the rejection of that love. When that love is rejected, the rejecter is banished from that love. It is not punishment....it is choice. That "choice" is "torment" by contrast to loves acceptance and obedience. These are my words. I find them to be true from what I know of God's Word. Of course I am a "Believer'. You can reject my beliefs of course. Your choice. However I would urge you to check into it for yourself.
     
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    Christianity rejects "legalism". Read about it. It is a change of the will...the heart. Lawyers love Religion. Christianity is not about so much as what you do, but who you are.
     
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    Says who? You? 1st off, what is love? Do you love someone and tell them I'm going to torment you forvever if you do this thing wrong, when you know in advance they are going to do that very thing you told them not to do?

    Why does Love have to be a choice?
    A creator of love would not be so petty to make the creation chose or not choose said love. Especially when said creator knows the outcome before said creator did the creation.

    You see how silly and circular this becomes?

    Check it out? I lived it for many decades having been born, baptized, confirmed, and fellowed in the religion.
     
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    A kook position very few if any serious historians hold. Cornelius Tacitus, Rome's greatest historian, mentions Jesus.
     
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    Living in a chicken coop doesn't make you a chicken either. Jesus described your type in the parable of the sower.
     
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    As Christians we deserve attacks and unless we own the disrepute/ shame than we are complete hypocrites. It seems that the least Christ-like members of the Church are the ones claiming victimhood. Pharisee impostors, these phony Christians are the enemy of humankind and God.
     
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    You are hilarious.
    I've asked you, 4th time now.
    How does one get eternal paradise, per God?
    How does one get eternal paradise, per Jesus?
    How does one get eternal paradise, per Saul?

    The only person you seem to follow, based on how you post, is Saul.

    This describes you.
    King James Bible
    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
     
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    I suppose it has never occurred to you that a con man made up the story about Cornelius Tacitus mentioning Jesus. Do you have the exact quote? Please post it if you do have it.
     
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    I think the real apostasy will really start when people really start asking why people deserve eternal torment in hell for a single sin.
     
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    The early first century Christians had iphones, but did not have the Internet until many centuries later.

    So another from of communication was needed. Literalist interpretation of the Christian Bible leads to absurdities, and then atrocities. The Christian theologian Hegel described early religion as formulated in picture language to organize and preserve traditions and doctrine. When religion becomes self-conscious through historical experience it transforms into philosophy so that religious beliefs become de-mythologized seeking essential insights in the symbolic language of religion. For Hegel, this is the true Incarnation of Spirit/Mind in history. Therefore, rejecting literalism doesn't necessarily mean rejecting the symbols of religion, its traditions, or insights.
     
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    Almost missed this speech by Chris Hedges. Hedges, a writer for the news website Truthdig, a Presbyterian minister, and a Pulitzer-Prize-winning journalist speaks of fascism and of Christian Fascism in particular. He gave this keynote speech at the "After Trump and ***** Hats" event in Vancouver, British Columbia, on March 3, 2017.

     
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    There is so much to your OP that it is impossible to address it all in one post.

    I do agree with the thesis. This herd mentality where people allow themselves to be deceived into thinking that Trump is a Messiah, a Savior, one who will lead the USA out of the wilderness right wingers have created (but are falsely attributed to Democrats) is one without basis. Small wonder why learned biblical scholars equate Trump with the Antichrist because of his self importance, his hate, his prejudices, his desire for war, his endless lies and foul mouthings, the fact that so many allow themselves into being deceived by him, and the fact that he is a pretend Christian who conveniently adopted the religion only after years of having nothing to do with the church.

    Consider these:















    While some segments of these videos are a bit repetitive, they do reflect biblical teaching. The preacher here is a conservative, not a liberal. In the past he was critical of Obama and others whom he perceived to have strayed from orthodox Christianity. Therefore, no one can say he is some lefty snowflake as righties like to say about anyone who strays from their deluded beliefs. As he says, Trump's behavior does reflect the prophesied Antichrist. Many former right wingers testified to this belief due to experiences the have had with his disciples so many of whom have been deceived.
     
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    Perhaps you "fellowed" in the religion , but you NEVER had a personal relationship with the SAVIOR.....or you wouldn't now join the "mockers".
     
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