Audrey's story

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For those of you who believe a child in the womb has no memory of what's happening, you may want to read this.

    While it's true that the brains inside babies are still developing and they don't have the context to piece together all the things they are seeing and feeling, I believe that what happens in early development can get buried deep into the subconscious.


    I was a survivor of abortion. I can remain silent no more
    Audrey
    United States

    One day when I was in third grade, my mom and dad asked me to sit down for a talk. They began by saying that since I was very little, my parents always found me sleeping curled tightly in the fetal position, buried in the covers and always to one side of the bed.

    from the Silent No More Awareness site:
    http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/testimonies/testimony.aspx?ID=1150
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    I can verify, second hand, that going through abortion can make a woman go crazy.
    Long ago, during my grandma's first marriage, she always kept the house clean and spotless, doing everything to try to please her husband, who was always off carousing with other women. But one day everything changed. Suddenly she did not seem to care anymore and she let the house fall into chaos. She became a hoarder. Have you ever watched that series on the TLC network Hoarders: Buried Alive ? Her house was worse than any of those episodes, and I'm not exaggerating. Many years later my mom did some investigating, looking into genealogy and relatives, and discovered that her mom had secretly had an abortion. And within five months after that, she had gotten pregnant again and secretly put the child (a girl) up for adoption. This was when my mom was still a young child. She believes that was around the same time when my grandma suddenly flipped. After losing her child, she refused to let go of anything else. It's a subconscious emotional response. She couldn't throw out anything. Her mom had always been a little overweight, but after that time her weight suddenly ballooned. She became a compulsive overeater.
    We can't know for certain whether it was the loss of her child through abortion, or the giving up of her daughter at birth that triggered her, but we suspect both of them contributed. The fact that she chose adoption after her first abortion is suggestive that she suffered trauma and regret from what she had just done.
    She had three more children after that, and even though it was difficult for her to raise them, she did not abort or give up for adoption any more of her children.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    So your Women share their abortion experiences, part 2 thread failed spectacularly so you think posting a duplicate thread will change something?


    No, the rebuttals will all be the same, common sense and logic, which will show how wrong you are once again...

    Common sense and logic and facts do NOT change because you changed the thread title :)
     
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    I’m trying to figure out what this is proving. Yes there is might be post abortion trauma but we also know about postpartum depression etc. It is a woman’s choice ..if she regrets her choice that’s too bad. Most women who have had abortions are very grateful that they didn’t have to raise an unwanted child and in many cases in poverty.
    If it was against her will it wasn’t a choice
     
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    That reminds me of when I was just a tadpole.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently some people can remember very early experiences in their life.


    I don't remember specific detail but I do remember a feeling of being stuck in a tight place and not able to breathe. All through my childhood I had terrifying nightmares about being stuck in this place, but i couldn't explain to anyone what the nightmare was about. It came as no surprise to me to learn as an adult that I was born with the umbilical cord around my neck, alarms ringing and had to be taken away and revived. My mother thought I was going to die.

    Camilla, Copenhagen, Denmark


    Our first child spooked us when he was small, by telling us the first thing he remembered was a white window opening and a man reaching for him. He was born by Caesarian, unknown to him at the time.

    Mike Whittaker, Peplow


    I can't remember being born, but I can clearly remember, both visually and aurally, things from being about 2 months old. I can even 'smell' the lining of my pram, and I could take you round a house we left when I was 3 months old and to which I have never returned. Last week or yesterday, however - you've got me there ...

    Prof. Feliz Forde-Bennett, Kuala Lumpur Malaysia


    I don't remember being born or being in the womb, even if I try really hard, but I do remember being in an incubator when I was a couple of days old (I was premature and had jaundice) and I had a cloth over my eyes because of the bright light I had to have on my skin. This is the earliest I can remember and my next memory doesn't occur until I was between the ages of 2 and 3 when I was at preschool and it was naptime but I was told off for talking.

    Zara , Berkshire U


    My daughter was 18 months old when I was 4 months pregnant with my son. I was showing my mother the scan picture and my daughter told us "When I was in mummy's tummy it was dark and warm, and I used to suck my thumb". My mother said afterwards this sent shivers down her spine as in my early childhood I told her I used to try to kick my way out of her tummy because I could hardly move. I said my head hurt a lot & it wasn`t until the incident with my daughter that she told me I'd had a forceps birth & this could account for the pain I experienced.

    Caz Bell, Hull England


    To this day I can recall the moments after my birth. I remember a white room and someone very large holding me and taking me to a table. I felt a pinch on the tip of my penis. I remember trying to turn over so the pain would go away and heard some one speaking hastily. I could not understand the words being said but it felt negative. I know this to be a memory because I thought it was a dream when I was about 2 or 3 then I found out what a circumcision was at around 7 or 8. My theory is that the person speaking hastily in a negative tone was my grandmother asking the doctor not to circumcise me. I may be wrong but this image or memory has been with me since before I could remember anything else. I am glad to see many people have memories from the same time.

    Jon Brooklyn, NY USA


    Possible to remember your Birth? More than likely but probably only with very few people. I can clearly remember being around 2-3 weeks old, being bottle fed. I even remember the teat of the bottle and can even remember the soothing feel of "gumming" it. I also have memories of around 5 weeks, being held on Mum's shoulder, her patting my back and me playing with Mum's earrings. My memories range from my early days and weeks to my early months. The memories are perfectly clear too. I can remember sitting in my baby-chair sucking on my feet while Snooker was on the TV. I must have been maybe a month old. My earliest memories though are of inside the womb. I don't remember my birth, but I can clearly remember being blind, not seeing darkness though, I remember having no sight, in a warm bath-like environment surrounded by the sound of a heartbeat and I can remember the muffled sound of voices and speech beats and the like and the pattern of Mum's voice. Muffled of course. These memories are absolutely clear to me, not fabricated through imagination or had connections made through the education of being alive. I have clear memories of blindness and being in that warm touch-and-sound-sensitive-only environment. I am now 32.

    Dougie Millward, Telford England


    https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2899,00.html
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you don't think there's anything wrong with aborting babies whose brains are advanced enough to sometimes remember things, then I guess you will not be able to see a point.
     
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    You didn't remember this thread was from 2019?

    There wasn't a connection to abortion and women's rights then and there still isn't.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people still retaining memories, even subconscious ones, implies that the preborn baby could be aware what's happening to it.

    Even if it's only 1 out of 10,000 people who still retain any memories of that early time period.
     
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    Nope, people trying to make a case against abortion claiming they went to college while in the womb just don't cut it :) They can claim anything......it's pointless...has nothing to do with abortion or women' right to have one....
     
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    I thought you liked to debate people?
     
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    The post above explained it....
    Nope, people trying to make a case against abortion claiming they went to college while in the womb just don't cut it :) They can claim anything......it's pointless...has nothing to do with abortion or women' right to have one....
     

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