Aurora workplace shooter was set to be fired by company, police chief says

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  1. Mrlucky

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    The gunman in a deadly shooting spree at a manufacturing warehouse in Aurora, Ill., where five employees were killed and five officers were wounded Friday, was set to be fired by the company, Police Chief Kristen Ziman told reporters at a news conference Friday night.

    The suspect, identified as Gary Martin, 45, of Aurora, used a handgun and had worked for the Henry Pratt Co. -- one of the largest makers of industrial water valves -- for 15 years, she said. He was killed at the scene. The attack lasted 90 minutes.

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    It is tragic that this man shot 5 police and killed 5 workers at this Illinois manufacturing plant 40 miles west of Chicago.

    Illinois has one of the tightest gun laws in the country. What is particularly alarming about this shooting is the obvious double standard that exists about workplace violence. The mayor of Aurora, IL and Democrat Illinois Governor, JB Pritzker were both present and spoke at a press conference conducted by local and state police. At the time, the shooter was named but no pictures were shown.

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    While some Chicago officials met to discuss gun violence what was strangely missing from all MSM reporting or from interviews with the Mayor, the IL Governor or the police who were interviewed was no mention of GUN CONTROL. This must be a first in Illinois, the country. maybe the entire world. Has Illinois changed its stance on gun control? During the past administration Politicians, Obama, Biden and Dem. Congressmen took every opportunity, sometimes before the victims bodies were cold to preach the evils of guns and how they must be taken away from everyone.

    How is this shooting different? The Governor is still a democrat. IL Sen. Dick Durban is a democrat. I know they all favor strict gun CONTROL.

    Sadly, the difference is that the shooter is a black man. If the shooter had been white, these ardent gun control advocates would be all over the air waves 24/7 calling for stricter gun CONTROL.
    Is this a missed opportunity by the Politian's and the liberal press to preach the sins of guns and how they must be taken away from all or is it just another example of bias?

    I think it's bias. If the shooter had been white, the stories focus would be on Gun Control, not the shooting of 5 cops and a killing of 6 others including the black shooter.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/aurora-workplace-shooter-was-set-to-be-fired-by-comapny
     
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  2. Mrlucky

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    Hay CNN, How come your reporting conveniently fails to show any photos of the shooter?

    Where is your expert journalists, eg, opinion propaganda writers preaching for stricter gun control?
     
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    It’s just flawed logic imo if a company is gonna fire you and your upset cause your life might be ruined then you shoot the company up ensuring that your life is indeed ruined. People just double down when their crap actions cause crappy things to happen to them and it’s always someone else’s fault.
     
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    This story goes nowhere. It saved CNN thousands in transportation costs for a plane load of on the scene "reporters" all weekend and more than likely saved the country, certainly Chicago millions in looting costs.
     
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    I think that many would agree that the shooter, in this case, had numerous other issues going on at home and elsewhere in his life.
    I'm just going to guess that the shooter was in debt, had tensions at home and/or very few support systems such as an understanding family, close friends etc.
    None of this excuses his actions.

    You can be sure that if the shooter had used an AR-15 or similar firearm, calls for gun control would have been deafening.
     
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    What are you talking about? His picture is at the top of the article on the shooting. Some of you guys live in an alternate universe.
     
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    I agree with all of that.... the gun is sorta the paint brush to paint his masterpiece that is insanity so to speak if he didn’t have a gun he would probably use another outlet to display his insanity. It’s just strange to me that when those types hear their inner monologue they just act and never take the time to second guess it.
     
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    Sounds like another “hope and change” kinda guy
     
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    The article I posted was from FOX. I checked CNN.com at the same time and there was NO photo, just a mention that the shooter had been identified.

    Also none of the normal outrage about the need for more GUN CONTROL.

    You must know being from NJ. The state where registering guns and may issue permits might get you a permit to carry if you know the right politician. IL is strict. NJ has totally draconian gun laws.
     
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    Re:
    Exactly!

    A determined killer will always find a way to kill a large number of people with or without a firearm.

    For example, I believe that the deadliest mass killing by a single individual remains the "Happy Land Fire"(2) and the "weapon" that killed 87 people was a readily available $1.00 worth of gasoline.

    Meanwhile, the deadliest school mass killing was not committed with a firearm but with a simple home made bomb(1).

    No, we don't need any more "common sense" gun laws, "for the children".

    Thanks,


    (1) "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"

    "Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

    EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED


    (2) "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


    (3) "Man Accused Of Killing Family With Baseball Bat: ‘I Freed Them’"
    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/groton-murders-orion-krause-baseball-bat-i-freed-them/

    EXCERPT "Authorities say a man accused of killing three family members and a caretaker in Massachusetts told officers he “freed them.” Records released Friday by the police say Orion Krause told officers he killed his mother, grandparents and a caretaker with a baseball bat."CONTINUED
     
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    I checked CNN too and found no picture of the shooter; just a photo of the police chief.
     
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    Events like these make me have the following question is this sorta thing(people going crazy with or without gun) happening more regularly than before or is it roughly the same and just getting more coverage due to the technological increases? Does more coverage cause copy cats so to speak?

    As far as guns being the issue I’m sure it’s not helping the problem but it’s not the problem, the problem is people’s mental health. The same thing that causes a woman to drown her children drive guys to shoot up office buildings imo
     
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    Both good points. I would answer Yes to your first question and agree with mental illness being a major problem with mass shootings and with many suicides.
     
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    I agree but I’m fairly young so I can’t know the answer myself. It seems to me people don’t have a solid support system at home like a constant father figure and when that happens it puts a large hole in the person that they’re constantly trying to fill. They don’t have a real true connection of who they are and where they come from and it allows these people to go to unhealthy places looking for answers. That plus we’re in a generation full of instant gratification consequences be damned and unsurpassed levels of narcissism that’s been fostered though social media and social programs.
     
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    No one has all the answers. I'm not a physiologist and don't agree with what many might have to say. Many sociologists also have reasons I don't agree with. All people have breaking points that can trigger them to be angry at times. Only a few go completely off the rails to the point of extreme violence. I think you are right about family figures and other influences that make people either care or not care about themselves other people around them. Many people can be influenced either positively or negatively by their peers.

    I don't know if this shooter was insane, temporarily insane or under the influence of a substance such as PCP that can make a person act psychotic. He did have a history of violence. Too bad others didn't see this and get the man some help.
     
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    This may surprise you, but CNN can be one of the first to post a headline but they are very slow in posting a full story. But using a single source as some sort of representative of the "MSM" and not seeing some detail about an event that occurred 16 hours ago isn't being completely honest with yourself.
     
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    I noticed that.

    But pretty sure someone on CNN did mention the gun used was black.
     
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    I gave it nearly 24 hours. I learned of the incident at about 3:30 pm yesterday when the police had a press conference. At that time there was a name but no photo from any news sources. What I posted was from early this morning. By then Fox had published a name and a photo but not CNN. It wasn't until mid morning that CNN published a small photo. I just call them as I see em.

    This is what I saw from CNN this morning:

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/02/16/aurora-police-chief-presser-shooting-sot-vpx.wgn
     
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    Meanwhile David Hogg chimes in on the latest mass shooting in Aurora, Illinois.

    Der Hogg is a real jerk and is probably sleeping with Ocasio-Cortez.

     
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    Shooting: Yes
    Support narrative? No
    / killstory
     
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    I think that a lot of people are asking the same excellent questions: are rage related mass killings like this more frequent today or are they proportionately the same only more widely reported.
    I also don't know how extensive the "copy cat" syndrome is either.
    Another factor in the perception that there are more more rage related mass killings is that people are "consuming" more news today than, say, 30 years ago and therefore more likely to know about events about which they would have been unaware 30 years ago.

    I do feel that more readily accessible Mental Health care for all income groups would be more effective than additional gun laws that have no effect on the same criminals who ignore all laws.
     
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    Why start a new thread on this rather than adding it to the existing thread/s?
     

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