Aurora workplace shooter was set to be fired by company, police chief says

Exactly.

 

There is one condition that can occur for anyone who accesses the NICS be it an FFL or a state agency. That is a "Delay." Should that occur, NICS will conduct a much more extensive check. If there is no disposition (call back from an FBI agent) after 3 business days, an FFL is free to sell the firearm even if a Deny is finally received days later. I won't sell until I have a final disposition but some FFL's will.
There is a possibility that something like this occurred. I don't know.

 

The Illinois State Police clearly screwed up here. I suspect they got backlogged and just never got to run some checks in the time required. I can't believe that they even checked the state records because even though there was nothing disqualifying, there was enough there to cause some concern.

 

That is possible. During the time frame this guy purchased his S&W M&P .40 pistol, I know a number of agencies were backed up. ATF and FBI were doing extra duty at a time when sales were through the roof. One examiner who may have had responsibility for one or two states were handling 6 or 7 with budget cutbacks due to sequester. Gun Control can be a double edge sword in ways that may not occur to everyone. We like to say, Obama was the best gun salesmen we ever had. Now, we are back to pretty much of a buyers market.

 

The background check that you and your liberal ilk advocate for keeping firearms out of the hands on those not allowed to have them failed miserably, not the police.

Posts in this thread have decidedly proved that fact.

Is that so, so hard for you to understand?

 

So maybe the "no moar pistol grips" mantra should be changed to "let's fix this ****ed up NICS" system.

When the government can't even use it's best tools to keep guns out of the hands of text-book case violent felons, how is "moar laws" going to do anything?

 

I keep asking this.
They have no response.
They just want more laws.

 

This can be a case of an employee simply not doing their job and lying to cover it up. The state police has been embarrassed and are going to drag their feet on it.

Clearly the state police, who manages the gun control, has been negligent in enforcing the law regarding revoked FOID licenses. While most of those revocations are handled by a new arrest or the criminal going to jail, clearly the revoked licence in this or similar cases should have gotten special attention.

Secondly, it looks like at least some licenses and gun purchases were handled without going through NICS. That is a severe case of no supervision and likely involves many purchases. You are going to need a special investigation by the DOJ to get to the bottom of that.

This isn't an indictment of NICS, it is an indictment of the Illinois State Police.

 

And there it is: the "incompetence" defense.

I see you didn't understand what I said earlier.

Anytime you buy a gun, the 4473 is a federal NICS check.

Therefore, we know for a fact that at least one NICS check was performed.

That has nothing to do with the state of Illinois, although they made plenty of other mistakes.

 

When the state will not follow and/or enforce the laws we have, why do we need more laws?

 

Is that the last straw that poster can grasp before admitting their utter defeat in the discussion on this issue?

Or will we get more utter nonsense?

 

In Illinois, the 4473 is sent to the state agency, not to the NICS section of the FBI. The Illinois State Police have access to search NICS themselves.

 

This is the problem with leftists.

They think they know what they don't know, and even when you explain facts to them, multiple times, they refuse to admit they don't know what the **** they're talking about.

The 4473 IS A FEDERAL NICS CHECK THAT IS DONE NATIONALLY BY THE FBI.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

NICS is located at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia. It provides full service to FFLs in 30 states, five U.S. territories, and the District of Columbia. Upon completion of the required Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473, FFLs contact the NICS Section via a toll-free telephone number or electronically on the Internet through the NICS E-Check System to request a background check with the descriptive information provided on the ATF Form 4473. NICS is customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except for Christmas).

 

See that number? Illinois is not one of the 30 by choice.

 

The only difference is that the state checks the NICS database, instead of having someone at the FBI do the check for them.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics-participation-map.pdf

IT'S STILL THE SAME NATIONAL DATABASE RUN BY THE FBI.

The 4473 is STILL AN ATF DOCUMENT.

 

Yes. But it is the responsibility of the state to check the database in Illinois. If they only got results from Illinois then it wasn't NICS.

 

Let me try again.

The 4473 is a federal form. Buying a gun in any state you are required to fill out a 4473.

The 4473 is then ran on the federal NICS system to check criminal history.

The only difference is in some states, state personnel check the federal NICS system, and in others, they contact the FBI who checks the same NICS system.

No, buying a gun in Illinois does not use an Illinois only system.

 

Oh!

Are you finally getting off of the "The state police are at fault" ignorant spiel?

 

Can you read? I am not backing off that at all.

 

Jesus H. How is that different from what I said?!?

 

How would they only get results from Illinois checking NICS?

Go ahead.

 

That won't happen. I know it, and I think you probably know it. The state for all practical purposes is broke. This will get swept under the carpet and will only resurface with civil suits brought by the victims families. The guy probably had nothing so the state and the manufacturing company will be named. Once there is a quiet settlement, that will be the end of the this workplace violence incident.

 

It's NOT the police' job to do background checks.

But, you ignorantly stated earlier that...

Yeah, I read that.

 

What reason did the company give for firing a 15 year employee? Was he making too much money? I wonder how much money the company got when it cashed in the insurance policies on the dead people?

 

They couldn't unless there is a state filter available. So they didn't check NCIS since they (the state police) said their search only contained results from Illinois.