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In the state of Illinois, whose job is it if not the State Police who has been named the responsible entity?

 

This is false.

Illinois is a point of contact state for the NICS.1 Federally licensed firearms dealers in the state are required to contact the Illinois Department of State Police (“DSP”) for a background check before transferring any firearm.2 The DSP searches its criminal history record information files, the FBI and NICS databases, and the files of the Department of Human Services relating to mental health and developmental disabilities
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/background-checks-in-illinois/

 

That's impossible.

1. NICS must be used by law when you fill out a 4473 and purchase a firearm.
2. NICS is a national database.

 

So you are claiming that it is "impossible" for someone in the Illinois State Police to not follow the law? Herp derp.

 

When the state will not enforce the current laws, why do you think more laws will solve the problem?

 

We aren't talking about new laws here. And show the respect to answer my question before asking another.

 

My question derives directly from your statement, and you talk about new gun laws all the time.

When the state will not enforce the current laws, why do you think more laws will solve the problem?

 

Well unless they suddenly forgot the federal requirement to use NICS to buy a gun, yes.

That is what I'm saying.

 

You might have better luck finding the Holy Grail.

 

Still no reply.

 

Well, if you live in a La La Land where police staff follow laws 100% and it is "impossible" for them to not follow any law, there really is nothing to discuss. You clearly don't live in the same reality as the rest of us.

 

Indeed - see posts 64, 70 and 75.
When you address the question I asked you -4- times now, I'll address yours.

 

Oh sure, it's easy to forget to follow federal law when someone purchases a firearm. Happens alllllll the time.

I mean, practically anyone could just walk into a store, the clerk could get on their computer with the filled out 4473, submit it, then wait (real-time) for the approval. That approval could go up to an Illinois NICS department official, and they can forget to do the NICS check and approve it.

Even though running the check is logged and documented, and a felony offense not to do it.

Anyone could make that mistake, really.

Example #235152 why you still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

I did in post #73. I support gun registration, mostly to reduce the black market of guns. It doesn't apply to this case, but it would have made it easier to identify whether he had a gun.

Now you.

 

Nowhere here do you tell us why, when the state will not enforce the current laws, you think more laws will solve the problem.
Try again.

 

I don't agree with your premise, that states will not enforce the law. However, if any state refuses to follow or enforce a law which is in the jurisdiction, then there are remedies via federal courts that can be followed. A very simple one in the case of Illinois would be for all NICS checks to be sent to the FBI to conduct if it is found that there are widespread issues with managing these searches.

I don't suspect that is the case here, but probably something more isolated.

 

This shooting happened because... the state did not enforce the law.
In fact, this is just one of innumerable examples where the state does not enforce the laws with regard to background checks.

When the state will not enforce the current laws, why do you think more laws will solve the problem?

 

No. Someone in the state police did not follow the law in conducting the background check for the gun purchase. Something that you have called "false" for some reason.

 

You cannot prove that - all you know is the IL records and NICS check did not produce a 'stop' result.

You also forget the part where the State of Illinois did not ENFORCE the law by confiscating his firearm(s), charging him with illegal possession a firearm(s) and at least THREE counts of perjury,

When the state will not enforce the current laws, why do you think more laws will solve the problem?