Australia Day and reconciliation

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  1. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Really??? You were referring to Australia day and made NO reference to anything else???

    I see, all you were doing was referring to Australia day
    You were not attacking a person who cannot not defend themselves from your onslaught just referring to Australia day.
    In fact that post removed everything but reference to Australia day and you would get.
    So you have nothing to support your hatred of others so you want to pretend innocence. That is fine, but everybody else can see the reality, not your delusion.


    Oh nearly forgot, I know the point of Anzac day is lost on you as I specifically designed it to be. If your buddy were to simply ask the point as it was clearly lost on them you would still be none the wiser.

    However, YOU have exemplified my point in that comment by the fact you state we have different opinions of what Anzac day is. I do thank you for that but I am sure it will be lost on many.
     
  2. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    No, you still intended insult. I am just laughing at the futility of such.

    Umm,
    Now the point is clearly lost on you. What was it???
    “Show where in the past few years there's been outrage/outrage/racism etc on public display as the central theme of the day.”
    I never claimed such but on these pages you can see those who do claim difference.

    Also, I never claimed racism about Anzac day, I did point out that Australia day tends to see racism embraced by many.

    As the point is, YOU cherry picked the comment to try demand I stated something I did not and demand I argue that point. So go build your strawman, it matters not to me.
    I know you are lost, You built a strawman and argue it while I stick to my point. Two completely different arguments. Get back to me when you want to discuss what I said, not what you wanted me to say.
     
  3. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

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    Ok, here is the part of your post (Post 14) that I disagreed with. Not: It was also the only part of your post I disagreed with BTW.

    'Put simply, the meaning Anzac day is often construed for political advantage just as Australia day is. Australia day continues to bring forth the racism of nations to confect outrage over the a meaning contrived by groups to demonstrate how they are not racist…

    Since the day is about being Australian today, trying to create division in nation pretending that it will bring unity is flat out lie. It is pure and simply racism at its most blatant and Supported by media as some sort of pride in derision...'


    And here is my response (Post 15);

    'And this last is rubbish! Firstly, name one public public holiday that can't in some way, shape or form be twisted and 'construed for political advantage' by someone if they are inclined to do so. Those people always exist. As far as ANZAC Day goes? For the vast majority of the population in modern Australia it has become about mourning and remembrance, even if to an extent that mourning and remembrance is partly romantic self indulgence. Show where in the past few years there's been outrage/outrage/racism etc on public display as the central theme of the day.

    Is there a mythos grown up around ANZAC Day? Certainly. But is the general theme/tone one highlighting all the things you are complaining about? No. Modern Australia has plenty of problems (some lingering, some more recent) that need to be addressed. If and I do say 'if 'ANZAC Day is on that list its so far down the agenda as to be inconsequential.'


    Note; I'm clearly only addressing Australian Day - a point I raised several times and a fact for whatever reason you choose to ignore. But leaving that aside.

    That 'Staw Man' your so fond of, which by definition is an argument that 'creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition'.

    In your post (above) you conflated ANZAC Day with Australia Day. I repudiated that particular argument by stating that in the case of ANZAC Day the themes 'morning and remembrance' were of a different nature to (in this case) Australia Day. That is not a straw man argument. Don't believe me? Look it up. Fact: I'm not replacing your proposition with one that is superficially similar. And I'm not stating that your primary proposition has no relevance or is incorrect, it does have merit and it may well be correct. What I am doing is stating that in relation in one specific instance (ANZAC DAY), for specific reasons it is not correct.

    So again, that is not a straw man argument! I am arguing that ANZAC Day is a subset or specific case. Nothing more, nothing less. Outside of that case I'm not challenging your arguments.

    Oh, and the reason I was 'lost' was not because my argument was floundering. It's simply that some of your sentence structures are so convoluted as to be unreadable. To the point where I start to wonder if English is your first language.
     
  4. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow,
    your last sentence is a hard one to swallow, Garry not a genuine Australian?
    You mean he might have arrived by boat, or not legally by plane?
    Or he might well be a refugee from fukking somewhere else? People who know me know how to take it...
    Oh boy, what if you are right?
    Reg.
     
  5. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

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    I'm not accusing him of being non-Australian. I'm saying that at some points his sentence structure/language becomes difficult to follow, leading me to wonder if English is his/her? second language. Lots of Australian citizens are bi-lingual so what? More power to them. Now as I noted previously this could just be my issue but I'd like to think not because generally I think I can follow relatively complex posts on this forum. In this thread? posts from Garry? not so easily. So something for Garry to consider, am I being unfair or do I have a point?

    Could be its just a one off issue on this thread - have to see more posts from him.
     
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  6. garry17

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    Again, I note clearly that you are trying to build a strawman out of what was stated.
    Nowhere have I stated any of what you claim is being stated. I simply state others have different opinion and belief of what Anzac day is about. Do you disagree with that??? Apparently, you do.
    Yes, and that is what you are doing. Not sure what you want to complain about here.
    Not true at all. I simply state they are treated the same in belief of representation. That has been exemplified by another poster who wants thinks they are scoring points off your attempt to argue a point never raised.

    AS I never claimed, in that post, either day was similar or different. I stated others hold different opinions of the days. NOTHING what so ever to do with this argument you claim I stated.

    Again, you are demanding I argue YOUR point not mine. Since YOUR point is a creation of YOURS, you are challenging yourself.

    LOL, that is interesting. If you were unclear on any issue, you could ask. BUT no, instead you want to try claim incomprehension. What, trying to flaunt the superior intellect there??? Trying to suggest it is beneath you to converse with people because you have trouble??? That does amuse me, but again rather futile

    Obviously you are floundering.
     
  7. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    That is an interesting thought.
    Could or should we learn more from late settlers? Would we as a nation progress more, if we allowed other cultures to have a bigger say?
    I leave it to you to start another thread,
    cheers Cats
     
  8. Monash

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    And blah, blah, blah. We're going round in circles so time to move on. You keep restating what you say and I end up doing the same. No progress made. Time to move on to more interesting threads, this one has run its course. So I'll leave you alone to hug your new best friend the straw man.
     
  9. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    That is right, I keep saying what I said, you keep demand something else was said. No progress can be made if all you have is your own argument.


    So you’re going to leave me with YOUR strawman??? Going to build another one somewhere else, I see.
     
  10. Hey Nonny Mouse

    Hey Nonny Mouse Well-Known Member

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    I suspect that associating Aboriginal disadvantage with Australia Day and reconciliation may be counterproductive.

    Australia Day and reconciliation seem more politically contentious than the idea that, say, every Australian child should have basic healthcare.
     
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