Australia to save White South African's lifes

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  1. Glücksritter

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    Australian Official Calls for Emergency Visas for White South African Farmers

    HONG KONG — A top Australian official said this week that white farmers from South Africa should be granted emergency visas, saying they needed protection in a “civilized country” amid a debate over redistribution of their lands to black citizens.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/world/australia/south-africa-white-farmers-peter-dutton.html

    Excellent idea, this could save the life of thousands of White Africans.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, all it demonstrates is what a complete an utter fool Peter Dutton is with his imprecision on current situation.

    A life is a bloody life but this clown is obviously very specific about what type of lives he values in specific shades.

    Certain refugees aren’t allowed to work and yet these people who were in control of their countries destiny have proposed before them by this idiot, a hassle free opportunity to establish themselves here above and beyond the opportunities granted to other refugees.

    Peter Dutton is an utter disgrace and lowest form of human being!
     
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    :rolleyes: really lowest form of human being, isn't that a bit dramatic

    I support Peter Dutton I think all the labelling is over the top, I empathise with the South Africans because I was born there, they are caught in a nightmare even if some are trying to deny them their suffering.

    If the government decided to grant access to refugees from elsewhere (and there are many) I'm not going to yell obscenities and insults, I'll be happy for these people.
     
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    SW, I actually think you are extremely reasonable on all topics. I figured this was pretty close to home for you though, and understand your passion. Someone alluded to the fact that cities are safe havens that farmers could move to within the country. In knowing this seeming fact it is rediculous for Dutton to interject into foreign matters without conclusiveness.

    We are all aware of people crying out for asylum and are already in pretty deep sh!t but politicians like this clown played them off as evil villains. They have lost everything to war and were destined to pushing up daisies in their country, but now this clown wants to pre-empt inconclusively the fall out in SA. All of a sudden he cares about what may potentially happen to a group of people knowing full well there are options for people in their own country unlike those displaced asylum seekers who have been rotting away for years. No doubt it is a bit of dog whistle politics at play as well!
     
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    T you answer with sensitivity and I appreciate that, regarding
    I wish pre-empting were indeed what it was, let me inform you what Peter Dutton knows and many Australians don't.

    Land distribution have been ongoing for several years, many previously working farms have been left to decay and rot and food shortages and violence like in Zimbabwe is not far off. This is in a country that 2 decades ago had a space program, nuclear weapons and the 10th largest Stock Exchange in the world.

    KZN farms lie abandoned (KZN is Kwazulu Natal)
    https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kzn-farms-lie-abandoned-424548


    Dairy farm in state control now in ruins

    <<< this is what the ANC wants to do in August, no title deeds land is leased, here's a pic of the world class dairy farm now

    [​IMG]

    https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/dairy-farm-in-state-control-now-in-ruins-20170524
     
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    Here are a flicker thread where South Africans can post pictures of abandoned building, industrial complexes, abandoned hospitals, homes, farms

    https://www.flickr.com/groups/793773@N21/discuss/72157605711042950/

    South African police report the murder rate at 69 per 100 000, Interpol and the South African Medical Research Board places murder rates at 114.8 per 100 000. According to Interpol and SAMRB White farmers are murdered at 313 per 100 000. Only 8% of all murders are prosecuted, there are no deterrent and you are not allowed to shoot back. People who have shot back have been thrown in jail.
     
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    1) Redistribution does not work. Allowing once productive land to go unattended.
    They need an American Homestead Act type arrangement that you must "prove" your ground in 5 years or lose it.


    2) Why shouldn't Australia give favored visa status to White South Africans?
    Why not?

    Possible give them homestead options on some land parcels.
    Why not?


    I find the criticism obscene considering if not White- - - but, Non White,
    No problem


    White Peoples' Lives Matter!


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

    :nana: :flagcanada:
    Becoming more Asian every census​
     
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    Here's the problem we face ito food shortage

    below are only a few of the countries that are food insecure, the Rohingya btw are 888 000 people food insecure (all in the FSIN report on Global food shortage for 2018 ). On top of this water scarcity is going to increase dramatically, already 1.2 billion people on the planet do not have access to clean water.

    Yemen 17 million
    Nigeria 14 million
    Ethiopia 8.5 million
    DR Congo 7.7 million
    Afghanistan 7.6
    Syria 6.5 million
    Sudan 6.1 million
    Malawi 5.1 million
    Zimbabwe 4.1 million (there are 1.5 million Zimbabweans living in South Africa along with many other from Malawi, Kenya, Nigeria etc)
    Somalia 3.3 million
    Kenya 3.4 million

    We can't help all these people, who's going to feed them if we're overrun. South Africa is now also mentioned in this report, seize the farmer's land and the 1st world will just have another country to feed, a country that once exported food.

    At least bring in South Africa's farmers and let them help feed the world by doing the only thing they want to do and that is farm.


    http://www.fsincop.net/fileadmin/us...8/GRFC_2018_Full_report_EN_Low_resolution.pdf
     
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    Officials in Australia have floated the idea that Australia should take in around 10,000 South African farmers as refugees. Australia has a large South African community and more than 3,000 people, mostly migrants from South Africa, attended a protest in Perth against farm murders in South Africa last week. From my experience, some South Africans were a little bit rough but they can become better citizens when they are integrated into Aussie culture.
     
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    and people say we aren't a racist country OMG
     
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    LR I believe you are misinformed of what racism really is, a minority will always be oppressed by a majority, we've seen enough wars and violence over decades to know that freedom within a democracy is for the majority, minority rights will be trampled. Does it stand to reason that one would like your country to remain the majority to which you belong, simply because you understand what will happen when you become a minority.

    If you tell me this will never happen I suggest you wake up, look at the Rohingya, a minority, look at the Tutsi's a minority, look at white South Africans a minority, look at aboriginals, a minority, look at black Americans a minority, I can continue on like this all day.

    People like you are one day going to have to wake up to the fact that Australia will no longer belong to you, you believe your rights will be respected, in every single example in the entire history of our world, this have never happened.

    I used to think exactly like you, until I came to understand and witness that although we as Australians are more than happy to hand over all political rights to another ethnic majority, (all the while thinking they will do the right thing) this rarely if ever happens.

    The extreme right sadly have a point, political correctness have come to override common sense, we need to find middle ground
     
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    Here's a perfect example of minorities treated badly,

    Yassmin Abdel-Magied in US deportation drama
    http://www.news.com.au/national/yas...a/news-story/a735319d2c18126f33c92910e9fd399a
    Why is it necessary to discuss challenges of life as young Muslim women in Western countries? Because they are a minority group and their rights are trampled, frequently... she's not wrong. Yassmin was ostracised when she offended Australians on Anzac day, she did not relate to Australian soldiers, she did not understand, what she said was very insensitive but I honestly don't think she deserved what she got, she simply did not relate.

    Is this because Australians are terrible people and racists and hate people who are different to them? No if anything Australians are too trusting, it's because the democracy we live in look after majority rights.

    It's time to stop regurgitating with a kneejerk reaction the word racist, we need to at least put some mental exertion or reasoning into an argument, if we're going to spew the word racist.

    No more... I'm done tiptoeing around the issue.
     
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    Remember she is selling a book. Nothing sells a publication like controversy!

    Initial reports indicate that it is a paperwork issue on her visa application, and you or I would probably cop the same treatment.

    BUT let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good story. Especially when decent dollars can be made.
     
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    true, however I do recall Mem Fox also having issues early last year trying to enter the US with an incorrect VISA, (one she entered with previously over 100 times) she was also there as speaker for a conference. In the end I believe they let her in after many hours of waiting. She did say she will never go back it was too traumatic, however she is much older than Yassmin
     
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    Of course Australia is a "racist" country

    And That Ain't Bad for Australian society.

    Witness Holland, Germany, Sweden, etc. being less racists and the social unrest created.

    If there are White Refugees needing a homeland from oppression and loss of property
    it is "racist" of Australia not to consider their application.
    Consider if Australia can create 10,000 "slots" for refugees why not take those applicants
    who are most similar to the "Australian genome" as well as those who would
    contribute most to the nation of Australia and not subsist as a welfare race.
    Re.: genomes, do not being up aboriginal genome. Y'know that ain't the discussion.
    I mean "genome" as in "Cultural Genome" too


    Australia should not "out liberal reality", similar to Germany, Sweden, etc.
    and seek to accept refugees most Aussie similar.

    eh



    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

    Canadian-Muslims1.jpg ChineseCanadian.jpg


    Witness :flagcanada: our now Asian and Muslim neighbor.
     
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    You are certainly not in favour of multiculturalism, I think it is the only chance for the planet to survive and to tackle all the issues ruining it,
    reg.
     
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    Moi I'm sorry but I disagree with you, I believe your comments are very unhelpful and untrue. Fact is there are plenty of room still for more minorities in Australian. Australians are NOT racist, I don't care what you tell me, I know, I have seen racism.

    Compared to other countries Australia takes very well care of it's minorities, no matter how much complaining there are, it is the Australian way.

    Reg I'm glad you brought up multiculturalism.

    I believe the chart below is from 2015, you'll note there is no reason to run around screaming... "it's the end!"

    [​IMG]

    my issues are;

    1. the moment we talk about allowing people in "like us" those on the fringes start screaming "racist"! There will be a time in the future where this behaviour could pose a security risk for Australia. This kneejerk reaction, to me represents the self flagellation of white post colonists. Singapore and Hong Kong were colonies and they are doing just fine, it's time to let go of this self hatred, looking after ones own interests are not racism. Also those previous colonies that are now failing under independence need to be held responsible for their own failure, they have been handed the keys to the ******n Ferrari, enough is enough.
    2. We should continue to bring in minorities from other countries, but with a conscious effort to never put our majority political rights in danger. This is not racism it's a survival strategy.
    3. If we do not keep an eye on the numbers of our minorities and one group would grow to be a threat, you will find those on the fringes of the right will become violent. It can potentially destabilise Australia.



     
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    Not a fan of Multi Culturalism.
    America became great on White, Judeo-Christian, culture
    and I deny the argument of genderist, sexual preference-ist,
    that multi culturalism would have made America a better place.

    NOT Judeo-Christian - White people chose to live in the American system anyways.
    If they prefer the system enough to immigrate/refugee here, they should learn to imitate it.
    Not Demand Society Change To Their Norms.




    And then the undeniable results of refugee/immigration policies too liberal for reality.
    Sweden, Holland, Germany.
    Crime. Assault. Terrorism.
    The expressions of a dissatisfied minority bound together by race or religion.
     
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    Hmmm,
    what would the US be without all the migrants which aren't Judeo/Christian, to use your words?
    Believe me it wouldn't even be noticed in any history book..........

    And to come to your second undeniable reality in regards to terrorism in Sweden, Holland (I am sure you mean the Netherlands) and Germany:
    Well, the biggest terrorism attack on any western country was certainly 9/11, don't you think?
    And that didn't happen in Europe.....
    I bet you have some answers for us already, sure it was all their fault, wasn't it? Whom would you blame?
    Reg.
     
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    Notice they adopted Judeo Christian values as they assimilated.
    Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, Japanese for examples.

    Why not Latin America. There is a lot of Latin America.
    Certainly they Should be taking more refugees.

    And let Australia chose the White ones when available thereby avoiding
    future race problems in society as experienced in EuroLand.


    Why should Australia bring in racial tensions into Australian society.
    As did Sweden, "THE Netherlands", Germany, etc.
    Why Not Australians First!
    You guys need some of that. Japan sucking up your natural gas for example.
    A Japanese pays less per BTW of Aussie Gas than Aussies do.
    Don't you love Globalism. Profits to the internationalists now.
    They can still be doing good for White refugees for refugee Brownie Points.
     
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    Moi,
    it is difficult to reason with someone who hates their (refugees/migrants other than white Christian) guts.
    In Australia we have a society consisting of many different ethnic/religious and cultural backgrounds.
    I believe it even makes us stronger. But then, I don't hate others.....
    Why don't give others a chance?
    Any society will provide the course or direction, and as long as people settle in (and sometimes that takes longer then we think) all is good.
    But it is also important to constantly looking into a mirror,
    Reg.
     
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    sw,
    I bet on the life of our white ants, using Anzac Day to remember us of the Iraq War (and others wars against Muslim countries) won'"t get unpunished, it didn't get here, it won't get there. The US and Australia are sharing too many negatives, I am afraid to say....
    Reg.
     
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    We disagree.
    It is not a matter of "hate" but rather
    not every society is improved with Multi Culturalism.

    The costs of adopting refugees into the nation is born by working people who live nearest the neighborhoods they are settled and whose children received diluted education while their refugee class mates catch up. My Mexican American nurse's excuse to oppose illegals.


    Why not opt for refugees who will mainstream more better innately.
    The Afghani you accept today are your slum neighborhoods of tomorrow.




    PS No personal attack required.
    Even when liberalism leads to wrongheadedness of reality
     
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    Moi, Multiculturalism does not work in some countries because mindsets are established in bigotry and racism. Problems arise because of these predisposed attitudes.

    E,g. Many moons ago we had a Turkish family who moved into the area. They were as excited about living here as much as we were in having them. Kids would teach them English and they would share their language. Absolutely beautiful, happy people.

    Unfortunately ignorant arsheholes would taunt their family because of their dress sense or language difference and/or accent. Hoons in their cars would hurl abuse for no other reason but their dress sense. After years of coping abuse both physical and verbal the boys turned into aggressive young men who didn’t give a stuff. All of a sudden they were bad people, not because of intrinsic qualities but environmental factors. Australia had a very welcoming attitude but some in our community were ignorant to the causes that drove people over the edge.

    I suppose many Aussies have beautiful hearts but some fail to see the damage that a minority do in and are obviously ignorant to causation. If we reprimand these clowns and recognise this as an issue we’d certainly ensure greater harmony. I suppose Australia more prevalently recognises this. America are woefully ignorant in certain sections it seems and bigoted elements in the media don’t do anything to build harmony. They thrive on division. Much like Rupert Murdoch and news limited in Australia.
     
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    One of the best comments in a while, good on ya.
    https://www.theage.com.au/melbourne...d-friend-racially-abused-20180414-p4z9n1.html
    Our country is going down hill since J.Howard, that is my observation. All this patriotic crap is ruining it.
    Today we have Erdogan, Trump, Xi Ping, Putin, Abbott and other ********s making this planet a war zone against anyone who differs.....
    The biggest thread to mankind is bigotry and patriotism,
    have a great Sunday
     
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