Sorry, I missed that part about HIV, I was only looking at the murder rate statistics. From what I gathered it had been up around 78/100k then dropped as low as 32/100k then started climbing again so I was just averaging it out at around 50. What I was trying to get at though is that I don't see South Africa as being significantly different to other 3rd world nations when it comes to violent crimes. I suspect that many of the other 3rd world nations show lower rates just because they don't keep accurate records. The ANC government has failed to deliver and from all accounts Zuma actually made things worse for the people of South Africa. That is something that needs to be addressed but, as with all 3rd world countries where corruption in government is rife, the odds of it happening are not good.