Australia to send warship and Defence Force personnel to Middle East to support US

You evidently know nothing of the history of either of these wars.

Where did I say I hated the EU? It was a very bad idea, just like those others I listed, but that's as far as it went.

 

Australians know that if they have a problem with any aggressor Americans will, as in the past, come happily to their aid.

 

Australian armed forces with real combat experience are a very valuable ally. Australians and Brits keep their forces ready for real war. Nothing wrong with that.
Even though they serve under US command, the experience they gain will help them in case there is a real war at home.
You claim you are Iranian - with all your pride about Iranian armed forces, aren’t you concerned with their lack of real experience? Well, Aussies and Brits don’t have this problem.

 

Really? Which ship was that?

 

Thanks to the US and Israel and all the wars they have started or instigated, I think we have enough experience in war as well! Just like the Americans don't always bleed their own forces to gain the necessary experience, we use our forces in a more discriminating fashion. But all the same: they are there and have gained and are gaining from the experiences of the wars since the last one that directly involved Iran, namely the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. We have had units in Lebanon helping Hezbollah rise from a small group of fighters to a force that is capable of standing up to Israel on its own. We have units in Syria, helping Assad stop those who wanted to take him out. We have an indirect presence in Yemen, carefully observing (and giving limited assistance when needed to test some systems and to make certain points) how America and the forces it backs are committing genocide. And, of course, we had units and proxies in Iraq to both fight the Americans who wanted to dominate that country, as well as to fight the demonic forces unleashed under the name ISIS. I don't think we lack in experience that matters, even if we have been fortunate (since the Iran-Iraq war) to be spared so far the blunt of the casualties and destruction that others which have been plunged into war and civil war by the US/Israel/Wahhabi coalition have brought to this region.

 

He had to remember WWII because Germany doesn’t have a real navy anymore and he is jealous because his great Germany is a wimp on the seas.

 

Well, I am not here to insult anyone (maybe Trump excluded) so I am not getting into a pissing contest with an obvious outcome.

 

Australia serves under US leadership in all these wars and plays its role. What evidence do you feel is lacking about that?

As for the "evidence" that your ships are the "most vulnerable", let me put it to you this way. America's naval doctrine calls for its own ships to be quickly taken out of the exact waters where your's will be sailing. You figure the rest for yourself. Also, take note when Pompeo told the Brits that they were ultimately responsible to protect their own ships. The British tanker was taken with a British frigate very close by (despite misleading stories from the Brits initially). That frigate was ordered by Iran's small coast guard to stay out and not risk their lives. It complied because it knew that it wouldn't be facing just the speedboats ordering it to stay out. The whole thing was easily monitored and heard over radio wave lengths to which the Americans were privy to as well. Did they move to help the Brits? How about when Iran took British naval vessels in 2007? Or when Iran took British naval vessels in 2004? Did the US make any real move to prevent those vessels being seized?

You think that if the situation deteriorates further, your "warship" will have any choice but to comply even if it is ordered by Iran to move out, or even surrender or face being sunk? You don't even understand what you are getting into.

 

Okay....in that case.....I am lumping Iran into Arabia. Or maybe not. What say ye. Are ye Persian or not?

 

You probably didn't understand a thing I wrote. Iran, as the leader of the axis of resistance, is involved (directly or indirectly) in a way that is not all that dissimilar to how the US is involved even in wars that might not directly pit its forces against the foes its proxies are fighting. Now, whatever you make of that, is your choice.

 

Let's see your evidence in support of that!

Tell me...why are Iranian vessels using military force in international waters? Or is all this happening in Iranian territorial waters?

What are you talking about specifically?

If Iran orders any Australian vessel out of international waters, I hope our ship gives you this:

 

What is the Axis resisting?

 

Start here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/politics/warship-iran.html
This U.S. Warship Threatens Iran (From 600 Miles Away)

Go here:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2019/06/04/what-war-with-iran-could-look-like/
What war with Iran could look like
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And then begin your education on this subject, by starting to read up on long standing American naval doctrine in case of a war with Iran.

It doesn't matter for the purpose of the example I was giving you, but based on what is known, it happened in Omani territorial waters, with the British tanker ordered to sail into Iranian waters.

2007 Iranian arrest of Royal Navy personnel - Wikipedia
2004 Iranian seizure of Royal Navy personnel - Wikipedia

If it does receive such an order, the Australian vessel will know what awaits it if it doesn't comply.

 

Iran does not get to tell anyone to move out of international waters. If you try that with an Aussie vessel, you will get the Mickey finger. What you do after that is up to you.

We are used to this in the South China sea where China tries (and fails) to effectively instruct ships to move out of international waters (also known as the high seas.)

Carrry on Iran. This sort of silly faux posture is not gonna work.

 

As long as the circumstances are such that no one is expecting China to act aggressively, you can refuse their instructions and be confident they won't be sinking your vessels. But if tensions rise and there is a belief that China will indeed use force, you won't find your ships doing what you suggest. It is a similar dynamic here too.

 

I do not expect Iran to act aggressively in international waters either. Should I?

 

It is very arrogant/naive to ever think of Germany as a country which ever if threatened would be a wimp. When you have the rise of the far right in Germany coupled with the demand from similar in the States for Germany to build up its military, you ought to be aware of what you are asking for.

https://therealnews.com/stories/will-germany-become-the-military-power-it-once-was

 

Not sure. There are people like me who do want Iran to take a more assertive stance. To basically impose our own "sanctions" over trade and commerce similar to the sanctions imposed on Iran. But, obviously, there is ultimately an imbalance of power that favors the other side, if not in the Persian Gulf waters (not there), but in the larger military, political, economic and diplomatic arena where this conflict and tug of war is being waged. For now, it is a game of chicken on both sides. Neither will want to blink, although both have occasionally blinked when push has come to shove.

 

While events occur in international waters, Iran has nothing. If it acts against a Western asset in international waters, Iran can expect a very nasty response, domestically.

Play nice.

 

I am wondering how much you know about what is going on with Iran since the US declared war on it by reneging on an International Treaty and blackmailing the rest of the world to follow. Most of the world has refused but Australia has decided it wants to be there to destroy Iran with the US. What makes you believe you are in the right making it impossible for Iran to trade oil but deciding to try and destroy Iran and kill millions of Iranian civilians if she decides to act against this. You are the aggressor here and I suspect from what you are writing without even having a clue what you are doing.

 

I see nothing stopping Iran selling oil.

When was the declaration of War with Iran?

 

You are clueless. The US has threatened any country that purchases Iranian oil with sanctions. And any company or person who does so with more. As a result, no one is buying Iranian oil openly. And Iran's oil exports have dropped from a couple million barrels a day to a mere couple hundred thousand. And, frankly, that is the American sanctions that I actually find the least offensive. The one I hate the most is America making it impossible for even ordinary Iranian to access the international bankingand financial system, to open an account outside, to trade, to purchase or to do anything else that requires that you work within the global financial system.

 

Where is your evidence that the US has threatened any Country etc? 'No-one is buying' yet a 'mere douple of hundred thousand' is being sold.

Now......I agree that the West is putting pressure on Iran and Syria etc. I'd much rather the West get out of Arabia...which is for Arabs. You happy to be lumped in with my definition of Arabia and Arabs? I think not as I have been belted many times about that. You are Persian and not part of Arabia. Yet you poke your nose into Arabian matters....as much as the West does.

 

My evidence? That is official US policy backed up by a host of "extra territorial US sanctions"! Wake up since you seem to be asleep and have no clue.
The participate in these discussions, you need to be better informed. I can't do your homework for you all the time. This is the last time I will share what I consider to be clear and obvious facts.
https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/...-million-barrels-oil-day-190820175146168.html
Iran: US sanctions cost market 2.7 million barrels of oil per day
Data shows Iran exported roughly 100,000 barrels per day in July.

You want to understand the scope and American laws behind the primary and secondary US sanctions against Iran, you can start studying the issue. This is probably too much for you, but it covers the sanctions against Iran.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf

 

Don't shoot down US drones, ey? Isn't that where this started? Why does the US hate Iran so much? What have you done?

PS....I am far better informed than is obvious.